[QUOTE=faceless;262812]You're right. Maybe you forgot the definition of respect, but hey, it happens to us all sometimes... I was just responding to someone who said Wes respects women and I was stating that he didn't seem so respectful when he called Johanna and Casey names.
For the record, I am not saying Johnny is innocent. It's just the inconsistencies around here are crazy.[/QUOTE]
Wes didn't look down upon Johanna and Casey because they were women. Wes looked down upon them because they sucked. Johnny looks down on women because they are women.
@faceless we all know you dont like Wes and I am not trying to change your opinion mainly because it's pointless, but if you don't approve of Wes' comments then you better not approve of JEK's because that's just hypocritical which is why Derrick looks so ridiculous if you dont then that's fine and go ahead and be annoyed at Wes. Wes only yelled at Casey once and got mad at his gf but he wasnt just trying to be an ******* just for fun like Johnny and Kenny do. Anyone who thinks some stupid cocky comments that Wes himself says was ****** bag comments is some how the same as saying "Evelyn, I hope on the way out you fall out of the van, split your head open and die." or "I dont care if he lives or dies" is the same thing is ********. Even if Kenny said it as a "joke" I dont think Evelyn found it funny, he didnt even smile when he said it but Wes was smiling when he said the greek god stuff, it seems ppl would let hurtful stuff go more easily than cocky stuff which is really dumb and most of the cast that like JEK are rookies and some haven't even watched older seasons so no wonder they think they're nice guys but ask Robin, Katie and older ppl and they'll say other wise.
[QUOTE=Blue123;262814]@faceless we all know you dont like Wes and I am not trying to change your opinion mainly because it's pointless, but if you don't approve of Wes' comments then you better not approve of JEK's because that's just hypocritical which is why Derrick looks so ridiculous if you dont then that's fine and go ahead and be annoyed at Wes. Wes only yelled at Casey once and got mad at his gf but he wasnt just trying to be an ******* just for fun like Johnny and Kenny do. Anyone who thinks some stupid cocky comments that Wes himself says was ****** bag comments is some how the same as saying "Evelyn, I hope on the way out you fall out of the van, split your head open and die." or "I dont care if he lives or dies" is the same thing is ********. Even if Kenny said it as a "joke" I dont think Evelyn found it funny, he didnt even smile when he said it but Wes was smiling when he said the greek god stuff, it seems ppl would let hurtful stuff go more easily than cocky stuff which is really dumb and [B]most of the cast that like JEK are rookies and some haven't even watched older seasons[/B] so no wonder they think they're nice guys but ask Robin, Katie and older ppl and they'll say other wise.[/QUOTE]
So you are saying people like Leroy and Mike who have met all of them in person should watch older seasons before thinking they are cool guys?
[QUOTE=morris614;262815]So you are saying people like Leroy and Mike who have met all of them in person should watch older seasons before thinking they are cool guys?[/QUOTE]
Yeah Mike said himself that he hasn't seen older challenges, so he doesn't know about all the **** that they've said/done, it's the same thing as saying yeah this guy is so cool even though he committed murder before they met. I know that example is extreme but it's kind of the same thing. Luke said he only seen 2 challenges with Ev, and CM said she never even heard of Abram before cutthroat and Leroy had no idea who half of the cast was on his podcast a while ago. Pete even asked Jill how she did on the last one and that's just to name a few. Besides they also do a lot of talking behind ppl's backs.
[QUOTE=Nightwolf;262813]Wes didn't look down upon Johanna and Casey because they were women. Wes looked down upon them because they sucked. Johnny looks down on women because they are women.[/QUOTE]
Yes, Wes' comments to Casey were because she sucked but that doesn't change the fact that he was calling her all those names. He called her a "stupid ******" which is basically what Johnny called Ev, a "dumb ******." Wes called Johanna names but how she competed on FM had nothing to do with Wes. I was never trying to compare Wes to Johnny, I was only saying that Wes does disrespect women too. Maybe he doesn't do it to the extent of Johnny but he still does.
[QUOTE=Blue123;262814]@faceless we all know you dont like Wes and I am not trying to change your opinion mainly because it's pointless, but if you don't approve of Wes' comments then you better not approve of JEK's because that's just hypocritical which is why Derrick looks so ridiculous if you dont then that's fine and go ahead and be annoyed at Wes. Wes only yelled at Casey once and got mad at his gf but he wasnt just trying to be an ******* just for fun like Johnny and Kenny do. Anyone who thinks some stupid cocky comments that Wes himself says was ****** bag comments is some how the same as saying "Evelyn, I hope on the way out you fall out of the van, split your head open and die." or "I dont care if he lives or dies" is the same thing is ********. Even if Kenny said it as a "joke" I dont think Evelyn found it funny, he didnt even smile when he said it but Wes was smiling when he said the greek god stuff, it seems ppl would let hurtful stuff go more easily than cocky stuff which is really dumb and most of the cast that like JEK are rookies and some haven't even watched older seasons so no wonder they think they're nice guys but ask Robin, Katie and older ppl and they'll say other wise.[/QUOTE]
I don't approve of what JEK say. I think sometimes when Kenny says that he is Mr. Beautiful he is clearly joking and he says it was a tone of humor but when Wes says that he is stronger than D1 football players or is stronger than CT, I don't sense any tone of humor.
[QUOTE=Blue123;262817]Yeah Mike said himself that he hasn't seen older challenges, so he doesn't know about all the **** that they've said/done, it's the same thing as saying yeah this guy is so cool even though he committed murder before they met. I know that example is extreme but it's kind of the same thing.[/QUOTE]
I somewhat get what you are saying, but I disagree. Meeting in person is a much better determination of if you get along with someone than an edit someone gets on a tv show. Of course if they had been in previous challenges is possible their opinions would be different, but if I met Wes or someone else from these shows in real life, i would throw out everything I had seen from the shows when deciding if I thought they were cool people.
[QUOTE=faceless;262818]I don't approve of what JEK say. I think sometimes when Kenny says that he is Mr. Beautiful he is clearly a joking and he says it was a tone of humor but when Wes says that he is stronger than D1 football players or is stronger than CT, I don't sense any tone of humor.[/QUOTE]
Ok then that's fine it's mainly ppl who like JEK but hate Wes that look wack and he said CT is the best athlete so that clearly means he said that CT is stronger than himself, happy? and on the show he said CT was stronger so.....you kind of made that up lol, and I wasnt talking about the Mr beautiful stuff, that stuff gets annoying but it's not hurtful I was talking about the calling other girls fat, ugly, flat etc and the death comments that make him and Johnny look like *****, even Evan is an *** who knows where the cameras are, on the ruins Veronica/Tonya were fighting and Wes tries to break it up and Evan is like "Wes"! and pulls his shirt trying to stop him so they can watch then he stands there for like 2 seconds then goes and comforts Tonya : / situations like that make Wes look way better than those idiots.
[QUOTE=morris614;262819]I somewhat get what you are saying, but I disagree. Meeting in person is a much better determination of if you get along with someone than an edit someone gets on a tv show. Of course if they had been in previous challenges is possible their opinions would be different, but if I met Wes or someone else from these shows in real life, i would throw out everything I had seen from the shows when deciding if I thought they were cool people.[/QUOTE]
Yeah and some do say they like him off camera and even on the show, I just see the rookies not liking him. And some also said he's different off the show like Darrel and Brandon the editing thing can go so far, they can edit it to look like all you say is cocky stuff but they cant edit you calling some one a dumb *****, and saying you wish death on some one because you still said the sentence.
[QUOTE=faceless;262812]You're right. Maybe you forgot the definition of respect, but hey, it happens to us all sometimes... I was just responding to someone who said Wes respects women and I was stating that he didn't seem so respectful when he called Johanna and Casey names.
For the record, I am not saying Johnny is innocent.[B] It's just the inconsistencies around here are crazy[/B].[/QUOTE]
Nothing forgotten... Just can't find the motivation to apply it in this instance.
However, I agree with you regarding inconsistencies. It's one of the problems with "fans" and the Internet, in my opinion. But, while Dylan Thomas may have urged us to "rage against the dying of the light," in this context (wisdom and truth), I'm not sure there is much point. I've come to the conclusion that simply stating the facts and moving on is the wise choice. Everything else is just quicksand.
Or, alternatively, write the definitive post to correct everyone who is wrong, and then press the delete key because almost no one cares about truth. Opt to entertain instead.
[QUOTE=V1man;262806]Perhaps Trees12 is not the forgetful one in this instance? Hey, it happens to us all sometimes...[/QUOTE]
Thanks V1man, I did not forget about that. It happens to all of us sometimes. :kiss2:
To Faceless:
Wes isn't perfect and he has had his moments with the Johanna and Casey. Wes was wrong in those instances and I'm not denying that .However, he has apologized and has not repeated those actions. In addition, his disrespect to those gals was at a much lower level than Johnny. On the other hand, Johnny was absolutely vicious towards most of the gals on the island and has made no apologies about it. He even screwed Paula over despite how much she backed him up. Then when Kenny asked Johnny to apologize to Paula he said "******* Kenny". However, Johnny freely admitted that he is an *******. To this day Johnny is still disrespectful towards women to a lesser degree from his island days. Not to mention his twitter post saying he hasn't changed one bit ,but got a different edit on this current challenge.
Wow, you guys so conveniently ignored the fact that I said I'm not comparing Wes and Johnny or saying Johnny is innocent. I'm just saying that they BOTH ******* do it. Damn.
[QUOTE=faceless;262805]You're joking right? Laurel gets a ton of hate for what she did and I agree that she should.[/QUOTE]
No you're missing the point. Yes Laurel gets "hate" for her comments. Just like Wes does for his comments towards Casey and Johanna. But saying Wes's comments were out of line and characterizing him as a misogynist are two different things.
Even though Laurel or other women sometimes get called out for their comments towards the men on the show, NO ONE makes sweeping generalizations that they are man haters.
So no, I am not joking.
[QUOTE=faceless;262873]Wow, you guys so conveniently ignored the fact that I said I'm not comparing Wes and Johnny or saying Johnny is innocent. I'm just saying that they BOTH ******* do it. Damn.[/QUOTE]
There's a difference between Wes making a couple mistakes in his younger days than Johnny unapologetically being disrespectful. So you can't just say they both do it as in that's who they both are as people; Wes had a couple incidences in the past but this is just Johnny's personality from what i gather.
[QUOTE=townie;262888]Johnny 1,201
Wes 9[/QUOTE]
You missed my sarcasm. I was asking in regards to members debating each other pointlessly since it is the very rare one who actually considers that another person on the internet might be better informed/accurate.
[QUOTE=V1man;262933]You missed my sarcasm. I was asking in regards to members debating each other pointlessly since it is the very rare one who actually considers that another person on the internet might be better informed/accurate.[/QUOTE]
Am I the rare one? I don't think I understand what you're saying. lol
[QUOTE=Blue123;262820]Ok then that's fine it's mainly ppl who like JEK but hate Wes that look wack and he said CT is the best athlete so that clearly means he said that CT is stronger than himself, happy? and on the show he said CT was stronger so.....you kind of made that up lol[/QUOTE]
Wes said that CT is MAYBE stronger than him, so, somewhere in the peanut sized brain of his, he thinks there is a chance he is stronger than CT. Wes didn't outright say he was stronger but he insinuated that there was only a chance he was weaker, happy? There was no quote from Wes saying "CT is stronger than me" so... you kind of made that up, lol.
[QUOTE=Blue123;262820]and I wasnt talking about the Mr beautiful stuff, that stuff gets annoying but it's not hurtful I was talking about the calling other girls fat, ugly, flat etc and the death comments that make him and Johnny look like *****, even Evan is an *** who knows where the cameras are, on the ruins Veronica/Tonya were fighting and Wes tries to break it up and Evan is like "Wes"! and pulls his shirt trying to stop him so they can watch then he stands there for like 2 seconds then goes and comforts Tonya : / situations like that make Wes look way better than those idiots.[/QUOTE]
It's pretty obvious that all of you Westophers are never going to give up the thought that Wes is some kind of hero. As much as I am biased against Wes, you all are biased against JEK. I don't like any of JEK but I don't like Wes either. I don't think any of those 4 should talk down to girls. I don't think any respectful guy should talk down to a girl. I do think JEK do it more often than Wes but that doesn't mean he's never done it. Although I dislike JEK, I will say that they are not the idiots because all of them individually have more wins than Wes. They are obviously doing something right. Happy? lol.
MY Main Point is that Wes was disrespectful to two women, apologized, and not repeated his mishaps in that department. Whereas, Johnny has lightened up on his abuse towards women, but hasn't stopped. Let's move on from this and start talking about how Wes has been doing on this challenge. Did you all see how well he did on the ropes. Incredible right?
[QUOTE=trees12;262966]MY Main Point is that Wes was disrespectful to two women, apologized, and not repeated his mishaps in that department. Whereas, Johnny has lightened up on his abuse towards women, but hasn't stopped. Let's move on from this and start talking about how great Wes has been doing on this challenge. Did you all see how well he did on the ropes. Incredible right?[/QUOTE]
Wes is doing [strike]good[/strike] well on this challenge? His team is doing the worst of the guys!
[QUOTE=trees12;262966]MY Main Point is that Wes was disrespectful to two women, apologized, and not repeated his mishaps in that department. Whereas, Johnny has lightened up on his abuse towards women, but hasn't stopped. Let's move on from this and start talking about how great Wes has been doing on this challenge. Did you all see how well he did on the ropes. Incredible right?[/QUOTE]
I wouldn't say he's doing great lol
[QUOTE=faceless;262958]Wes said that CT is MAYBE stronger than him, so, somewhere in the peanut sized brain of his, he thinks there is a chance he is stronger than CT. Wes didn't outright say he was stronger but he insinuated that there was only a chance he was weaker, happy? There was no quote from Wes saying "CT is stronger than me" so... you kind of made that up, lol.
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This is what I mean by people hang on his every word because he put the word maybe it now means he thinks he's stronger, he said in the podcast that he's not the best but 1 of the best, he said CT is the top competitor, so that's all there is to it. Everyone goes on about this everyone's scared of CT **** when we all already know CT is the best athlete and so do the guys.
[QUOTE=jesses_girl;262977]I wouldn't say he's doing great lol[/QUOTE]
Considering his partner, I think he's holding up well. Plus he did great on that rope thing against Brandon.
Derrick was basically saying that only people on Team Wes were ripping on him in the comments section. He claims he has heard Wes talking crap about him too, the only time I remember Wes talking about him was the Duel 1 where Wes was nothing but complimentary towards him. Maybe from the Ruins? Not sure I buy it because he didn't say what Wes supposedly said.
[QUOTE=jojorules;263007]Derrick was basically saying that only people on Team Wes were ripping on him in the comments section. He claims he has heard Wes talking crap about him too, the only time i remember Wes talking about him was the duel 1 where Wes was nothing but complimentary towards him. Maybe from the ruins? Not sure i buy it because he didn't say what Wes supposedly said.[/QUOTE]
He also said that he knows these people on and off the challenges, so possibly it's things that none of us know about.
[QUOTE=jojorules;263007]Derrick was basically saying that only people on Team Wes were ripping on him in the comments section. He claims he has heard Wes talking crap about him too, the only time i remember Wes talking about him was the duel 1 where Wes was nothing but complimentary towards him. Maybe from the ruins? Not sure i buy it because he didn't say what Wes supposedly said.[/QUOTE]
Wes talked **** about Derrick on the Ruins....I remember. Wes was saying JEK should send in Derrick and Wes also said Derrick was dumb/stupid... It's on the Ruins Dailies.
[QUOTE=jesses_girl;263008]He also said that he knows these people on and off the challenges, so possibly it's things that non of us know about.[/QUOTE]
Just saying but seems like a quick cover up/load of bs to me. He said before it's all about his arrogance on the challenge and his "I'm better than you" quotes from the challenge, than it's all the sudden stuff he said off the challenge/another time?
He has every right to not like Wes, just say you don't like him, don't try to make up something out of the blue when you said before your whole reason for not liking him was his "I am better than you" and Greek god quotes he has been caught saying. Stick by what you said, and you don't have to cover your own ***. No matter how much you try to be friends with everyone, people can find and make controversy out of anything if they really want to.
Wes' cockiness on the show is reason enough to not like him if you don't want to haha. Derrick just seems to change his tune when under pressure and I guess he really didn't like the negative feedback that he isn't used to.
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