[QUOTE=jimmymiro12;266954]yep that is correct. I remember Rachel saying that it was Tina's fault too but she wasn't mad at Tina because unlike Tonya she never talked her self up about being an incredible runner/athelete[/QUOTE]
Yeah see Rachel and Veronica towards the second half of the season came up with the most ridiculous excuses to be mad at Tonya. These included Rachel saying something, Tonya agreeing, and them 3 yelling at Tonya; Tonya doing well and them three saying she didn't; and trying to claim that Tina didn't talk herself up.
Even CT said he wasn't mad at Tonya since he knew she tried her best and earned her spot in the final on the fake reunion thing.
When reviewing the video from the 8/10/11 episode, I noticed that the position of the boat, helicopter, and rope release point were different for C.T. than for the other competitors. Having the rope at an extreme angle as opposed to being as vertical as possible made it just about impossible, given the combination of air current from the helo blades and gravity, for C.T. to have wrapped his legs around the rope, something nearly always required for fast rope climbing. This placed him at a significant disadvantage [I]vis-a-vis [/I]his competition. it was, perhaps, an unfair disadvantage.
Townie, any thoughts from C.T.s' perspective?
Haven't talked to him about it but on Adam's Twitter last night, he said that after they saw how much difficulty CT had trying to climb the rope at that given height above the water, they had the pilot fly higher for the other teams so that the rope would straighten out and not drag in the water.
Having re-watched the episode this morning, it looked like the helicopter was flying much lower above the water for CT/Adam than the other teams. Their rope was like half submerged under water most of the time and was creating a huge spritz off the water. The tip of the rope was barely skipping across the top of the water for the other teams.
[QUOTE=townie;269447]Haven't talked to him about it but on Adam's Twitter last night, he said that after they saw how much difficulty CT had trying to climb the rope at that given height above the water, they had the pilot fly higher for the other teams so that the rope would straighten out and not drag in the water.
Having re-watched the episode this morning, it looked like the helicopter was flying much lower above the water for CT/Adam than the other teams. Their rope was like half submerged under water most of the time and was creating a huge spritz off the water. The tip of the rope was barely skipping across the top of the water for the other teams.[/QUOTE]
Thanks. You know I'm not one to blindly be in C.T.s corner often, but fair is fair. To me, this wasn't fair.
They should've flown at the same height as they did for CT & Adam's turn for everybody else, or given CT & Adam another chance to do it after they figured out it was impossible to climb the rope at that height after they went and corrected it for the other teams. At that low height, more teams would've likely DQ'ed and it wouldn't have been a sure bet for CT & Adam to go into the Jungle.
Still though, Leroy absolutely killed that rope and there's a high probability he and Mike would've won that challenge even if CT & Adam did get another turn with the helicopter flying higher. Which would mean CT & Adam would've still been voted into the Jungle anyways since Kenny & Johnny would never want to face each other, it just might've changed the match-up of the Jungle is all.
[QUOTE=townie;269457]They should've flown at the same height as they did for CT & Adam's turn for everybody else, or given CT & Adam another chance to do it after they figured out it was impossible to climb the rope at that height after they went and corrected it for the other teams. At that low height, more teams would've likely DQ'ed and it wouldn't have been a sure bet for CT & Adam to go into the Jungle.
Still though, Leroy absolutely killed that rope and there's a high probability he and Mike would've won that challenge even if CT & Adam did get another turn with the helicopter flying higher. Which would mean CT & Adam would've still been voted into the Jungle anyways since Kenny & Johnny would never want to face each other, it just might've changed the match-up of the Jungle is all.[/QUOTE]
That's true, but it still is BS how the helicopter basically made a gradual nosedive into the water during CT's heat.
[QUOTE=townie;269457]They should've flown at the same height as they did for CT & Adam's turn for everybody else, or given CT & Adam another chance to do it after they figured out it was impossible to climb the rope at that height after they went and corrected it for the other teams. At that low height, more teams would've likely DQ'ed and it wouldn't have been a sure bet for CT & Adam to go into the Jungle.
Still though, Leroy absolutely killed that rope and there's a high probability he and Mike would've won that challenge even if CT & Adam did get another turn with the helicopter flying higher. Which would mean CT & Adam would've still been voted into the Jungle anyways since Kenny & Johnny would never want to face each other, it just might've changed the match-up of the Jungle is all.[/QUOTE]
They fixed it for a cuthroat rematch, they didn't just do it to CT.
Ct would lose any challenge/eliminations MTV doesn't want him to win just by giving CT/Adam competitions that are complicated.
[QUOTE=townie;269457]They should've flown at the same height as they did for CT & Adam's turn for everybody else.
Still though, Leroy absolutely killed that rope and there's a high probability he and Mike would've won that challenge even if CT & Adam did get another turn with the helicopter flying higher. [/QUOTE]
Leroy did amazing, but fair is fair and it wasn't fair how everyone else got to fly a bit higher making their challenge easier than C.T. and Adam's. When I saw that I was like ***! That's not cool, should be the same for all! Also would a ladder have been too easy for guys or something?
I saw that too that their ladder was deeper in the water, I'm not 1 to join in on these conspiracy theories of rigged challenges etc but this was pretty obvious :p Oh well, it should make a fun jungle.
The unfortunate thing regardless is it happened on the last men's mission before the final challenge. Was any thought put in advance about how low or high to go? Not that it would be any better on the 2nd guys jungle day, but right before the final makes it that much more bs.
Not saying CT would have beat Leroy's time, but I would have liked to see if he could. A casual viewer watching at home would probably think CT can't climb a rope.
[QUOTE=Skeet;269510]I saw that too that their ladder was deeper in the water, I'm not 1 to join in on these conspiracy theories of rigged challenges etc but this was pretty obvious :p Oh well, it should make a fun jungle.[/QUOTE]
I've come to the conclusion that it's incompetence, not conspiracy.
Just another good reason to change executive producers.
I'm very surprised, given the amount of time production seems to place on showing the competitors making out with each other (Jenn&Adam, Wes&Mandi, Paula&Mike, Jaz&Tyrie, etc.), that CT has not been shown hooking up with Mandi or Laurel. Is there a place in the house where cameras aren't allowed to go, or are they just saving it for the s*** they should have shown?
[QUOTE=KingofCrash;269545]I'm very surprised, given the amount of time production seems to place on showing the competitors making out with each other (Jenn&Adam, Wes&Mandi, Paula&Mike, Jaz&Tyrie, etc.), that CT has not been shown hooking up with Mandi or Laurel. Is there a place in the house where cameras aren't allowed to go, or are they just saving it for the s*** they should have shown?[/QUOTE]
Unknown to everyone on Rivals, CT actually had a girl friend while they were filming.
[QUOTE=jojorules;269515]The unfortunate thing regardless is it happened on the last men's mission before the final challenge. Was any thought put in advance about how low or high to go? Not that it would be any better on the 2nd guys jungle day, but right before the final makes it that much more bs.
Not saying CT would have beat Leroy's time, but I would have liked to see if he could. A casual viewer watching at home would probably think CT can't climb a rope.[/QUOTE]
Anybody who has watched CT throughout the years on challenges know what he's capable of athletically. On challenges, anything involving climbing is probably his best strength. I've seen enough of Johnny and Wes on challenges to know that there's no way they could do something that involved climbing that much better than CT unless there was some serious flaw with how the challenge itself was set up.
CT wasn't just unable to climb up the rope, he was practically flapping in the breeze like a windsock! And, he's like 20-30 pounds heavier than both Johnny and Wes, that shouldn't have happened and wouldn't have happened had the helicopter been flying at the same height for him as it did for them when they went.
[QUOTE=townie;269577]Anybody who has watched CT throughout the years on challenges know what he's capable of athletically. On challenges, anything involving climbing is probably his best strength. I've seen enough of Johnny and Wes on challenges to know that there's no way they could do something that involved climbing that much better than CT unless there was some serious flaw with how the challenge itself was set up.
CT wasn't just unable to climb up the rope, he was practically flapping in the breeze like a windsock! And, he's like 20-30 pounds heavier than both Johnny and Wes, that shouldn't have happened and wouldn't have happened had the helicopter been flying at the same height for him as it did for them when they went.[/QUOTE]
You have to figure though that had he not beaten Leroy, either he or Johnny/Tyler would have gotten last place so nothing would have really changed.
[QUOTE=Nightwolf;269582]You have to figure though that had he not beaten Leroy, either he or Johnny/Tyler would have gotten last place so nothing would have really changed.[/QUOTE]
This speculation but I believe that had his rope been the same as the other players, he would have climbed faster than both Johnny and Wes.
Townie,
I get that. I just meant the casual viewer who wouldn't notice the obvious disadvatange would be led to believe that from that mission. That really sucks being the last men's jungle, regardless if they were going in anyway. He at least deserved a chance to beat Leroy's time.
[QUOTE=V1man;269518]I've come to the conclusion that it's [B]incompetence[/B], not conspiracy.
Just another good reason to change executive producers.[/QUOTE]
I agree with that. I don't think that it was an issue of trying to screw CT over. But if they adjusted the competition in anyway to make it more manageable for the other competitors, they should have restarted said competition. Kind of a drag.
[QUOTE=townie;269447]Haven't talked to him about it but on Adam's Twitter last night, he said that after they saw how much difficulty CT had trying to climb the rope at that given height above the water, they had the pilot fly higher for the other teams so that the rope would straighten out and not drag in the water.
Having re-watched the episode this morning, it looked like the helicopter was flying much lower above the water for CT/Adam than the other teams. Their rope was like half submerged under water most of the time and was creating a huge spritz off the water. The tip of the rope was barely skipping across the top of the water for the other teams.[/QUOTE]
I caught that last night. I think the producers purposely wanted CT & Adam back in the Jungle for ratings.
Having just re-watched the helicopter challenge, the height of the helicopter didn't even matter as far as CT & Adam winning.
His rope was perfectly straight at the beginning and he was going up it just fine. It wasn't until just after the 6 second mark that the helicopter dipped down a bit and the rope went into the water and all of his problems started. When Leroy & Mike went, Leroy was already up to the release lever by the 7 second mark... CT was only like halfway there at the 6 second mark.
Wes did better than Johnny and CT would've probably beaten Johnny too had their rope stayed straight. So basically, we'd have the same Jungle anyways because Johnny & Tyler would be going in automatically and you know they'd go against CT & Adam since Kenny & Wes were the only other team to pick from, and you know that's not happening.
Townie or anyone who remembers,
Why did CT punch Davis exactly? I rememeber Davis said that CT asked him if he could take a punch and davis said "sure, I'm tough" and then he got sucker punched.
I just find it really hard to beleive that someone would just randomly punch someone UNLESS they did something first.
Any insight?
[QUOTE=townie;269457]They should've flown at the same height as they did for CT & Adam's turn for everybody else, or given CT & Adam another chance to do it after they figured out it was impossible to climb the rope at that height after they went and corrected it for the other teams. At that low height, more teams would've likely DQ'ed and it wouldn't have been a sure bet for CT & Adam to go into the Jungle.
Still though, Leroy absolutely killed that rope and there's a high probability he and Mike would've won that challenge even if CT & Adam did get another turn with the helicopter flying higher. Which would mean CT & Adam would've still been voted into the Jungle anyways since Kenny & Johnny would never want to face each other, it just might've changed the match-up of the Jungle is all.[/QUOTE]
I agree with this I think they should have flown it at the same height, but I still think Leroy and Mike would have won I mean **** Leroy and Mike owned it(knew there had to be a reason why I watched their season of real world after I didn't watch the last 6)
[QUOTE]Townie or anyone who remembers,
Why did CT punch Davis exactly? I rememeber Davis said that CT asked him if he could take a punch and davis said "sure, I'm tough" and then he got sucker punched.
I just find it really hard to beleive that someone would just randomly punch someone UNLESS they did something first.
Any insight?[/QUOTE]
I read somewhere today that CT said (on Derrick's podcast) he did it because Davis came onto him. I haven't heard the alleged podcast, but boy would that disappoint me if it were true. Probably wouldn't surprise me that much though....
[QUOTE=saveferris;269842]I read somewhere today that CT said (on Derrick's podcast) he did it because Davis came onto him. I haven't heard the alleged podcast, but boy would that disappoint me if it were true. Probably wouldn't surprise me that much though....[/QUOTE]
He said, "Davis came up to me all tooty-fruity..." but he didn't explain the altercation any further. He seemed a bit...off during the interview.
[QUOTE=Cass;269846]He said, "Davis came up to me all tooty-fruity..." but he didn't explain the altercation any further. He seemed a bit...off during the interview.[/QUOTE]
There appears to have been reasoning for it as other people on the cast said that Davis had it coming, but it also appears to be one of those things we'll just never know the truth too since it probably would have come out by now if it was ever going to.
CT was trashed and already in a combative state of mind after his altercation with Kenny. Davis was being his typical creepy self when he's drunk and since he's gay, CT took that drunken creepiness a little too seriously. He'd heard that "the gay kid" on Denver was a bit of a **** stirrer so he put 2-and-2 together that it was Davis, so he just asked him flat out if he could take a punch & then decked him when he said he could.
I just have never heard of someone who randomly asks people "can you take a punch."
I def. agree that Davis was coming on to him, which is prolly why he hit him...but flat out asking someone, can you talk a punch, is just REALLY weird/strange.
Lol so Davis was coming on to him so that's why he hit him? Ya ok sure. He's not a bully at all and was totally instigated in that situation, if some one says they can take a hit then you're obliged to punch them in the face. Come on it's CT, he doesn't need an excuse to get angry and will fight for stupid reasons. Like who the **** goes nuts for like 10 hours over someone telling him the obvious, I thought it was hilarious when Laurel said CT isnt a bully and that he's always instigated, yeah then I guess her bff CM had it coming and so did Davis.
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