[QUOTE=V1man;406114]Yea, these ratings suck, and can not be what Susanne Daniels had demanded. She got the results she wanted for RW, but so far Free Agents is a ratings bust. I can guarantee she won't accept the excuse, "But the Nielson's are so fu*%^$ up!" [B]Given the overall state of ratings at MTV, she must be considering a network house cleaning of those execs with bloated salaries and no great results since Jersey Shore.[/B][/QUOTE]
That may not be a bad thing though. Daniels is a smart woman who was brought in for a reason, she's has made some bold moves already for the network. She'll figure something out, and hopefully it's sooner rather than later.
I just do not get why this Challenge is doing so poorly compared to Exes and Rivals since this one is MUCH better entertainment wise (IMO anyway).
I have a feeling tho that the next Challenge will have much higher ratings with the Explosion degenerates participating *sigh*
It is clear that Bananas and CT do not necessarily equal higher ratings. If they would only bring back Landon, Darrel, Coral, Veronica, Theo, and some of the TRUE vets then the quality of the show should be good enough for ratings to improve. Again, IMO
[QUOTE=IAMNEMESIS;406130]It is clear that Bananas and CT do not necessarily equal higher ratings. If they would only bring back Landon, Darrel, Coral, Veronica, Theo, and some of the TRUE vets then the quality of the show should be good enough for ratings to improve. Again, IMO[/QUOTE]
Man, I am so tired of this **** excuse for things.
[QUOTE=IAMNEMESIS;406130]I just do not get why this Challenge is doing so poorly compared to Exes and Rivals since this one is MUCH better entertainment wise (IMO anyway).
I have a feeling tho that the next Challenge will have much higher ratings with the Explosion degenerates participating *sigh*
It is clear that Bananas and CT do not necessarily equal higher ratings. If they would only bring back Landon, Darrel, Coral, Veronica, Theo, and some of the TRUE vets then the quality of the show should be good enough for ratings to improve. Again, IMO
side note: I see V1man is still around *sigh*[/QUOTE]
Darrel/Landon were on Fresh Meat 2 ratings were horrible that time and every other MTV show ratings were high thanks to Jersey Shore but The challenge went even the down 0.9 mark.
Derrick/Brad/Abram/Etc were also on Cutthroat and ratings were horrible too, every other MTV show was doing good except for the challenge once again.
Theo/Veronica/Coral are done.
Old school people are not the solution, they don't have a big fan base no more especially on the demographic MTV wants. The only themes that seem to work since the ruins were Rivals/Exes/Rivals 2.
The only way to increase ratings is with promotion.
Why not have people like Bananas or CT be a guest on Ridiculousness instead of the random no names they sometimes pick just because they were in ONE video that they are displaying on the show.
Have other MTV stars interact with Challengers in commercials and in after shows. Forget Jonny Mosely, he's WOAT, bring back Snooki (as horrible as she was), Vinny and whoever else is famous on MTV to attract viewers.
MORE COMMERCIALS. That Catfish commercial shows every single time they go on a break for EVERY show they air. They need to have more Challenge commercials.
Hopefully they do amp up the promotion and theme of the next Challenge a little bit like they did to the Real World to attract more viewers. I can't help but think how better it would have been if they just waited a little longer to cast some Explosion kids on Free Agents. They could have replaced Brandon, Chet, and Preston with Cory, Brian and Thomas and Emilee, Jemmye, and Jasmine with Jenny, Jamie and any other Explosion girl (don't care about the rest).
[QUOTE=PinkRose;406159]
Theo/Veronica/[B]Coral[/B] are done.
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She keeps playing with the idea of coming back but who knows what she'll do. I thought Veronica said she would if Rachel/Coral/Tina also came?
[QUOTE=PinkRose;406159]Darrel/Landon were on Fresh Meat 2 ratings were horrible that time and every other MTV show ratings were high thanks to Jersey Shore but The challenge went even the down 0.9 mark.
Derrick/Brad/Abram/Etc were also on Cutthroat and ratings were horrible too, every other MTV show was doing good except for the challenge once again.
Theo/Veronica/Coral are done.
[B]Old school people are not the solution, they don't have a big fan base no more especially on the demographic MTV wants. The only themes that seem to work since the ruins were Rivals/Exes/Rivals 2.[/B][/QUOTE]
but isn't the point of getting higher ratings to attract former viewers back to the Real World and/or The Challenge? Maybe I am getting to old for these shows because the seasons that did well are the seasons that I loathed. Exes and Rivals were more about petty drama than the actual Challenge itself, which turned me off big time!
[QUOTE=JayTee;406164]The only way to increase ratings is with promotion.
Why not have people like Bananas or CT be a guest on Ridiculousness instead of the random no names they sometimes pick just because they were in ONE video that they are displaying on the show.
Have other MTV stars interact with Challengers in commercials and in after shows. Forget Jonny Mosely, he's WOAT, bring back Snooki (as horrible as she was), Vinny and whoever else is famous on MTV to attract viewers.
MORE COMMERCIALS. That Catfish commercial shows every single time they go on a break for EVERY show they air. They need to have more Challenge commercials.
Hopefully they do amp up the promotion and theme of the next Challenge a little bit like they did to the Real World to attract more viewers. I can't help but think how better it would have been if they just waited a little longer to cast some Explosion kids on Free Agents. They could have replaced Brandon, Chet, and Preston with Cory, Brian and Thomas and Emilee, Jemmye, and Jasmine with Jenny, Jamie and any other Explosion girl (don't care about the rest).[/QUOTE]
You like Jamie? Or you just to see someone beating her?
[QUOTE=Graphik;406165]She keeps playing with the idea of coming back but who knows what she'll do. I thought Veronica said she would if Rachel/Coral/Tina also came?[/QUOTE]
Exactly not happening, Coral was offered to be on free agents she declined a couple of times her priority is her kid. I don't see her leaving her kid for 1-6 weeks especially since she is not even 1 yet.
Tina say she would come back but I doubt it, Rachel is the only that I see coming back and current viewers kind of know who she is since she was on Exes.
[QUOTE=IAMNEMESIS;406168]but isn't the point of getting higher ratings to attract former viewers back to the Real World and/or The Challenge? Maybe I am getting to old for these shows because the seasons that did well are the seasons that I loathed. [B]Exes and Rivals were more about petty drama than the actual Challenge itself, which turned me off big time![/B][/QUOTE]
Those are the only seasons that have worked for them since The Ruins...I was happy for this season, but it's dull for me. I hope ratings go up, so BMP keep being creative with the themes.
It's crazy to see that Battle of the Seasons 2 did bad ratings wise when it aired, but MTV highest rated show right now is pulling lower numbers.
[QUOTE=PinkRose;406169]You like Jamie? Or you just to see someone beating her?
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Jamie is a nuclear meltdown waiting to happen. She is also better to look at than Jemmye, Jasmine, Camila, Aneesa, Jonna and Latoya IMO. She just seems like a real bad b**** and I would love to see how she does in a Challenge environment.
[QUOTE=JayTee;406175]Jamie is a nuclear meltdown waiting to happen. She is also better to look at than Jemmye, Jasmine, Camila, Aneesa, Jonna and Latoya IMO. She just seems like a real bad b**** and I would love to see how she does in a Challenge environment.[/QUOTE]
To each their own , respect your opinion. But I really don't find her attractive at all especially without make up and photoshop. I probably would rank her over Jemmye/Jasmine but that's it. On picture she looks like a ****** thanks to the tats but like jasmine I feel like she is all bark no bite.
[QUOTE=PinkRose;406169] Exactly not happening, Coral was offered to be on free agents she declined a couple of times her priority is her kid. I don't see her leaving her kid for 1-6 weeks especially since she is not even 1 yet.
Tina say she would come back but I doubt it, Rachel is the only that I see coming back and current viewers kind of know who she is since she was on Exes.[/QUOTE]
I'm sure she has for now but who knows, depends on how much longer the show lasts. An "Old v.s. New" could possibly bring her & many others back.
We need to ditch the idea of Old vs. New because that still won't help but only hurt the show in the long run.
BMP needs to focus on putting together a superior Battle of the Exes 2 together for next season so we can get past this and follow the route of Rivals & Rivals II because it works. Some may be sick of Exes themes but they pull ratings because people find that stuff fun, funny, and even relatable with issues some couples face.
Now by superior I mean....
1. They need every Ex-Plosion ex they can get Thomas/Hailey, Brian/Jenny, Cory/Lauren, Jay/Jenna. Sorry no Jamie and Arielle is not doing challenges. Then try to pair Bananas with Casey (hes popular), CT just shouldn't be on Exes 2 but instead like a special because him and Laurel is not fair, Anastasia is done, Mandi is done, Cooke is done, Shauvon-hell no, Nany would most likely be with Cohutta, and Diem and him did the first one. They should get Wes and KellyAnne, and maybe Brad and Tori. Thats enough old school because the first had many and it kinda helped ratings wise.
2. Good promotion for the show as a whole but also promotion for certain couples that stories or even face could draw ratings.
3. Good missions because the first Exes had good missions, even some of those had themes! And much better eliminations than the first!
4. They need to do a preview special with couples from the first Exes (CT/Diem, Rachel/Aneesa, Emily/Ty or Paula/Dunbar) hosted by Mark and Susie ranking each team. Then they need to air a Exes marathon the day of the premiere. They should also do that app thing that shows an episode of each couple or even just air them on tv a week before or on like a Saturday or something.
Rating will do very well imo.
[QUOTE=Livewitpeace;406194]We need to ditch the idea of Old vs. New because that still won't help but only hurt the show in the long run.
BMP needs to focus on putting together a superior Battle of the Exes 2 together for next season so we can get past this and follow the route of Rivals & Rivals II because it works. Some may be sick of Exes themes but they pull ratings because people find that stuff fun, funny, and even relatable with issues some couples face.
Now by superior I mean....
1. They need every Ex-Plosion ex they can get Thomas/Hailey, Brian/Jenny, Cory/Lauren, Jay/Jenna. Sorry no Jamie and Arielle is not doing challenges. Then try to pair Bananas with Casey (hes popular), CT just shouldn't be on Exes 2 but instead like a special because him and Laurel is not fair, Anastasia is done, Mandi is done, Cooke is done, Shauvon-hell no, Nany would most likely be with Cohutta, and Diem and him did the first one. They should get Wes and KellyAnne, and maybe Brad and Tori. Thats enough old school because the first had many and it kinda helped ratings wise.
2. Good promotion for the show as a whole but also promotion for certain couples that stories or even face could draw ratings.
3. Good missions because the first Exes had good missions, even some of those had themes! And much better eliminations than the first!
4. [B]They need to do a preview special with couples from the first Exes (CT/Diem, Rachel/Aneesa, Emily/Ty or Paula/Dunbar) hosted by Mark and Susie ranking each team. Then they need to air a Exes marathon the day of the premiere. They should also do that app thing that shows an episode of each couple or even just air them on tv a week before or on like a Saturday or something. [/B]
Rating will do very well imo.[/QUOTE]
Zach most likely is going to be on it, with whichever they decide to go with Ashley/Ashlee or Jonna. Most likely the last one.
4 teams of explosion is too much, I will be fine with 3.
MTV is not doing that, probably just air a marathon of the first exes and a special host it by SNooki ( She is way more popular than any challenger, so is better in my opinion) and I try to get the Miz to do the special with her.
Assuming they go with exes 2.
[QUOTE=PinkRose;406196]Zach most likely is going to be on it, with whichever they decide to go with Ashley/Ashlee or Jonna. Most likely the last one.
4 teams of explosion is too much, I will be fine with 3.
MTV is not doing that, probably just air a marathon of the first exes and a special host it by SNooki ( She is way more popular than any challenger, so is better in my opinion) and I try to get the Miz to do the special with her.
Assuming they go with exes 2.[/QUOTE]
Snooki and Mark I would prefer.
Yeah I figured no to that one marathon but the app thing they should do that was cool. And the Anyones Game/Do's and Don't type segments could be in the special as well.
I think 4 teams is fine because each bring something to show. Brian/Jenny together is bat**** crazy, Thomas/Hailey aren't on the best of terms and I would love for her to hook up with someone and **** Thomas off, same with Jay and Jenna, and they have to have Cory whether its with Lauren or Ashley, preferably Lauren because they are really exes.
I know Zach and Jonna will be there.... you just had to mention that Jonna shipper haha. Johnny and Averey will be there, hopefully Jordan and Nia (thats who he deserves), and I don't know who after that there are so many options it depends on what they go for.
Assuming they go with Exes 2...
I like this season a lot. The hard fought elimination rounds make up for the weak missions. I thought the 1st part of the WTC mission in Episode 1 was a real challenge since it's like 42 floors with people shoving each other all the way. It looked like a lot of fun though.
I really liked this "Allies" format someone on this site thought of. It's pairs but 1 on 1 eliminations and the winners, if they're both in opposite teams, end up being a new pair.
I think they need to do more promo, but don't show things that show players, for example, if you're doing a shot of the final do it from really far out, or maybe don't put players names on their ***** so its easy to tell who is who, its not really necessary when you are watching you know who is who without the names there, a lot of spoilers come out of the trailers, I also think they need to show more action in the trailers, a few clips from the first few missions to not spoil who makes it further because those are usually the better competitions, and then throw in some drama because that does not give anything away either. Promo is huge and I really think MTV messed that up along with the time slot.
For Exes 2(for ratings)
-get 3 exes from Explosion
-get Johnny B./Casey
-Get CT( but don't give him Laurel)
-get Wes with either Kellyanne/Johanna
-get Cara Maria(give her Abe again or bull**** something ie: Nate-Priscilla)
-get Jordan
-get Nany
Then they must promote the **** out of the show and do specials where we actually get the history on the relationship, for example Wes-Johanna they would talk about how they met on Austin and their long history together.
[QUOTE=WesIsTheBest;406303]For Exes 2(for ratings)
-get 3 exes from Explosion
-get Johnny B./Casey
-Get CT( but don't give him Laurel)
-get Wes with either Kellyanne/Johanna
-get Cara Maria(give her Abe again or bull**** something ie: Nate-Priscilla)
-get Jordan
-get Nany
Then they must promote the **** out of the show and do specials where we actually get the history on the relationship, for example Wes-Johanna they would talk about how they met on Austin and their long history together.[/QUOTE]
I definitely think we will see most of your suggestions. I think if it's Exes 2 again, expect to see CT pair up with Diem again. They are still The Challenge's favorite couple. It will be the perfect ending for this relationship if they win together.
[QUOTE=WesIsTheBest;406303]For Exes 2(for ratings)
-get 3 exes from Explosion
-get Johnny B./Casey
-Get CT( but don't give him Laurel)
-get Wes with either Kellyanne/Johanna
-get Cara Maria(give her Abe again or bull**** something ie: Nate-Priscilla)
-get Jordan
-get Nany
Then they must promote the **** out of the show and do specials where we actually get the history on the relationship, for example Wes-Johanna they would talk about how they met on Austin and their long history together.[/QUOTE]
Zach/Dustin going to be on it for sure.
I don't see Johanna coming back, wes going to be with either Kelly Anne and Theresa.
Cara Maria hasn't done nothing with Antone else, maybe Emily since they kiss on cutthroat.
[QUOTE=GDInstall;406305]I definitely think we will see most of your suggestions. I think if it's Exes 2 again, expect to see CT pair up with Diem again. They are still The Challenge's favorite couple. It will be the perfect ending for this relationship if they win together.[/QUOTE]
I hope not Lola I am tired of that storyline.
[QUOTE=PinkRose;406312]I hope not Lola I am tired of that storyline.[/QUOTE]
Me too. I don't give a **** about their relationship and I don't want to see it again..Besides isn't Diem done with Challenges anyway? If so that's not going to be a possibility. I think they're either gonna put him with Laurel or not cast him at all.
[QUOTE=PinkRose;406312]I hope not Lola I am tired of that storyline.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Debut Album;406314]Me too. I don't give a **** about their relationship and I don't want to see it again..Besides isn't Diem done with Challenges anyway? If so that's not going to be a possibility. I think they're either gonna put him with Laurel or not cast him at all.[/QUOTE]
Actually as Rivals 2 showed, the majority of the viewers don't think this way. Sure, Diem got a pretty bad editing on Rivals 2, but too much happened since Exes 1 to not use this couple for an other time. I mean, Diem got asked for FA and was offered a lot of Money to participate and
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Plus, people close to CT are saying/claiming that CT wants to win a challenge with Diem on his side.
Danny and Melinda were partners on BoTS when Lacey and Wes left.
I dont think they were that great together.
I cant remember if Svetlana hooked up w anyone on her RW season or her Challenge debut, but id like to see Svetlana back again.
Edit: This should all be in a general thread btw, not in FA ratings thread.
If they could get Svetlana back (very questionable at best) I could see them putting her with Bananas. They flirted on Key West and, although it's a stretch, it wouldn't surprise me. Plus, she's better than Casey and BMP likes to keep Banana on the shows as long as possible to increase viewership.
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