Nah, Jason was like the most well liked hg by a huge distance, he crushes anyone very easily. Lisa also has a shot if the jury is sequestered too, but Jason definitely wins if he makes final 2.
Shockingly we disagree...and Lisa has no shot if the jury is sequestered--none
Yeah that's not true haha, Lisa still very much has a shot. I love Dani, but you're making it out as if she would have won no matter what if the jury was sequestered.
I definitely wouldn't say most runner ups are bad players. Seasons 5, 7, 9, and 15 are the ones I'd say that were awful runner-ups and maybe 6 (not entirely sure about Ivette since her goodbye message to Rachel is waht really ****** her).
Ivette was "okay"
Memphis was horrible (he's even worse the second time you watch it), Cody didn't have a clue, Lane was subpar, Porsche was better than people admit but far from great and Natalie couldn't beat Jodan in a final. I mean...it is what it is...often times the person that finished 3rd, 4th or 5th was the second best player that season but the cast was smart enough to realize they'd win at the end. Nakomis for example
Yeah this is where we flatout disagree, Cody played a solid game where he was great socially (just happened to be unaware about how great Derrick was playing), Memphis is one of the best runner ups and nearly wins if there is no twist that helps Dan mend fences (vote probably goes 4-3), Porsche was solid as someone who was decent in all around aspects, and natalie was terrible socially, but actually pretty decent at strategy. She was just hated because of how she acted, outside of gameplay and the unnecessary lies. I would say this applies a lot mroe to survivor than BB, though typically the 3rd-th palcers are the second best players.
Cody had a lot of friends but wasn't good at the social aspect of the game. He stuck with Derrick and whatever he wanted to do, and never wanted to confront anyone or make big moves. His first HOH he got out Brittany who was like his best friend/flirtmance in the game at the time. His second HOH he got out Donny which was a smart game move because Donny was loved but he did it for personal reasons not for game. His third HOH he evicted Victoria who he should have won unainmously against and left Derrick in the game who slaughtered him. I wouldn't mind seeing Cody play again without Derrick. Hopefully he would show up as a competitor.
Porsche slept all summer long until the end of the game. She started to win competitions and make moves. If she played all summer long she would be rememered as a better player. If she wasn't up against Rachel she would have had a better shot.
Not really, winners can get second chances too, I don't see why it has to be exclusive to just people who didn't win when it could be even more fun and add to them as characters/players to see how they do, but agree to disagree then.
I think you are missing the point of a second chance season. People who won should be brought back for All-Stars or some other type of twisted season like the coaches or duos or something new. Second Chance should be given to people who left early, or even made it far and were screwed. I wouldn't want to see people like Da'Vonne, Kaitlin, Nick, Cassi, Dominic who left early in week one or two and deserve a second chance with people like Derrick, or Ian who made it the whole 90 something days, played the whole game, and even won.
The first sentence contradicts itself, having a lot of friends means you're good socially. I mean is confronting someone or making big moves important if they're not gonna get you where you need to go? I agree he should have done more and stepped out of Derrick's shadow, but Brittanys crewed herself with the way she played her last week or so and yeah Victoria gets at least a few votes and could even win since Derrick made a pact that anyone takes VCictoria to the end will not get votes from the alliance so he was kind of stuck there.
Porsche was just a lot more utr and people confuse that with just sleeping all summer. Evene against Rachel, she could of won and should have seeing as Shelley hated Rcahel during the game, but somehow voted for her.
Not really, winners can get second chances too, I don't see why it has to be exclusive to just people who didn't win when it could be even more fun and add to them as characters/players to see how they do, but agree to disagree then.
I think you are missing the point of a second chance season. People who won should be brought back for All-Stars or some other type of twisted season like the coaches or duos or something new. Second Chance should be given to people who left early, or even made it far and were screwed. I wouldn't want to see people like Da'Vonne, Kaitlin, Nick, Cassi, Dominic who left early in week one or two and deserve a second chance with people like Derrick, or Ian who made it the whole 90 something days, played the whole game, and even won.
Persoanlly there aren't a lot of early boots I'm eager to see again so that might be why. Like I probably have a total of 5 or so that I REALLY wanna see again and not a full cast of them.
The first sentence contradicts itself, having a lot of friends means you're good socially. I mean is confronting someone or making big moves important if they're not gonna get you where you need to go? I agree he should have done more and stepped out of Derrick's shadow, but Brittanys crewed herself with the way she played her last week or so and yeah Victoria gets at least a few votes and could even win since Derrick made a pact that anyone takes VCictoria to the end will not get votes from the alliance so he was kind of stuck there.
Porsche was just a lot more utr and people confuse that with just sleeping all summer. Evene against Rachel, she could of won and should have seeing as Shelley hated Rcahel during the game, but somehow voted for her.
I still maintain to this day that Porsche was working a legitimate strategy those first few weeks of the game. I mean, she agreed to sit on the block and get the golden key. I feel like her biggest downfall was not able being to convey and articulate her strategy better to the jury. If she was better with words, she could have beaten Rachel. Shit, even just lowkey comments about playing the game by not playing during the first few weeks and casually bringing that legit strategy up to people heading out the door could've been enough. I'm not a fan of Porsche, and that F2 is definitely a top contender for worst final 2 ever. Watching their jury speeches and listening to those two answer the questions was cringe inducing, but I believe that's where Porsche lost. And I almost hate her more than Rachel, just because she couldn't sound smarter than Rachel for 20 mins.
Not really, winners can get second chances too, I don't see why it has to be exclusive to just people who didn't win when it could be even more fun and add to them as characters/players to see how they do, but agree to disagree then.
I think you are missing the point of a second chance season. People who won should be brought back for All-Stars or some other type of twisted season like the coaches or duos or something new. Second Chance should be given to people who left early, or even made it far and were screwed. I wouldn't want to see people like Da'Vonne, Kaitlin, Nick, Cassi, Dominic who left early in week one or two and deserve a second chance with people like Derrick, or Ian who made it the whole 90 something days, played the whole game, and even won.
Persoanlly there aren't a lot of early boots I'm eager to see again so that might be why. Like I probably have a total of 5 or so that I REALLY wanna see again and not a full cast of them.
It doesn't necessarily have to be early boots in my opinion. I wouldn't mind people who made it to jury. Like a Candice, Jessie, Zach, Donny, Nicole, Matt, Eric, Shane, Kalia etc. Some could be considered All-Stars though I guess.
The first sentence contradicts itself, having a lot of friends means you're good socially. I mean is confronting someone or making big moves important if they're not gonna get you where you need to go? I agree he should have done more and stepped out of Derrick's shadow, but Brittanys crewed herself with the way she played her last week or so and yeah Victoria gets at least a few votes and could even win since Derrick made a pact that anyone takes VCictoria to the end will not get votes from the alliance so he was kind of stuck there.
Porsche was just a lot more utr and people confuse that with just sleeping all summer. Evene against Rachel, she could of won and should have seeing as Shelley hated Rcahel during the game, but somehow voted for her.
I still maintain to this day that Porsche was working a legitimate strategy those first few weeks of the game. I mean, she agreed to sit on the block and get the golden key. I feel like her biggest downfall was not able being to convey and articulate her strategy better to the jury. If she was better with words, she could have beaten Rachel. Shit, even just lowkey comments about playing the game by not playing during the first few weeks and casually bringing that legit strategy up to people heading out the door could've been enough. I'm not a fan of Porsche, and that F2 is definitely a top contender for worst final 2 ever. Watching their jury speeches and listening to those two answer the questions was cringe inducing, but I believe that's where Porsche lost. And I almost hate her more than Rachel, just because she couldn't sound smarter than Rachel for 20 mins.
Not really, winners can get second chances too, I don't see why it has to be exclusive to just people who didn't win when it could be even more fun and add to them as characters/players to see how they do, but agree to disagree then.
I think you are missing the point of a second chance season. People who won should be brought back for All-Stars or some other type of twisted season like the coaches or duos or something new. Second Chance should be given to people who left early, or even made it far and were screwed. I wouldn't want to see people like Da'Vonne, Kaitlin, Nick, Cassi, Dominic who left early in week one or two and deserve a second chance with people like Derrick, or Ian who made it the whole 90 something days, played the whole game, and even won.
Persoanlly there aren't a lot of early boots I'm eager to see again so that might be why. Like I probably have a total of 5 or so that I REALLY wanna see again and not a full cast of them.
It doesn't necessarily have to be early boots in my opinion. I wouldn't mind people who made it to jury. Like a Candice, Jessie, Zach, Donny, Nicole, Matt, Eric, Shane, Kalia etc. Some could be considered All-Stars though I guess.
Yeah that would be alot better, people like Jessica (BB8), Candice, Nicole, and so on who never reached their full potential would be cool to see back.
The first sentence contradicts itself, having a lot of friends means you're good socially. I mean is confronting someone or making big moves important if they're not gonna get you where you need to go? I agree he should have done more and stepped out of Derrick's shadow, but Brittanys crewed herself with the way she played her last week or so and yeah Victoria gets at least a few votes and could even win since Derrick made a pact that anyone takes VCictoria to the end will not get votes from the alliance so he was kind of stuck there.
Porsche was just a lot more utr and people confuse that with just sleeping all summer. Evene against Rachel, she could of won and should have seeing as Shelley hated Rcahel during the game, but somehow voted for her.
Just because you have friends doesn't necessarily mean you have a strong social game. Victoria could have been best friends with everyone but wouldn't have won. That IS important but social game is definitely moe than just hanging out and making friends. Alliances, strategy, game talk, lies, talking your way out of things, convincing people of things etc. makes up a social game. Victoria absolutley does not win no matter who she was against. I don't care what pact there was or what people in the jury house said. If Cody took Victoria he would have won. Derrick, Zach, Nicole, Donny, Jocasta, Frankie, Christine, and Caleb would have all voted for Cody. Not so sure about Hayden.
Not really, winners can get second chances too, I don't see why it has to be exclusive to just people who didn't win when it could be even more fun and add to them as characters/players to see how they do, but agree to disagree then.
I think you are missing the point of a second chance season. People who won should be brought back for All-Stars or some other type of twisted season like the coaches or duos or something new. Second Chance should be given to people who left early, or even made it far and were screwed. I wouldn't want to see people like Da'Vonne, Kaitlin, Nick, Cassi, Dominic who left early in week one or two and deserve a second chance with people like Derrick, or Ian who made it the whole 90 something days, played the whole game, and even won.
Persoanlly there aren't a lot of early boots I'm eager to see again so that might be why. Like I probably have a total of 5 or so that I REALLY wanna see again and not a full cast of them.
It doesn't necessarily have to be early boots in my opinion. I wouldn't mind people who made it to jury. Like a Candice, Jessie, Zach, Donny, Nicole, Matt, Eric, Shane, Kalia etc. Some could be considered All-Stars though I guess.
Yeah that would be alot better, people like Jessica (BB8), Candice, Nicole, and so on who never reached their full potential would be cool to see back.
Agreed 100%. A good mix of like 5-7 early boots and the rest jury favorites who got screwed could make a great season. If you through Derrick or Ian in there and they happened to do well again, I feel like it would take away from people like Jessica, Candice and Nicole who I want to see get there chance to play. Rather than seeing someone we've already seen go all the way do it again.
No, perfect example is Jordan from BB11 who had a strong social game and was very well liekd, but wasn't very proactive in strategy and so on. Social game pretty much embodies being well liked by the hgs and from there comes more information like trust and more game talk. It's cool that you think that, but it doesnt change the fact that, that is a legit reason for Cody not to take Victoria to f2. Caleb, Frankie, and Christine have all said they'd vote Victoria if she was taken there by an original alliance member so I'll take their word over a fans.
Not really, winners can get second chances too, I don't see why it has to be exclusive to just people who didn't win when it could be even more fun and add to them as characters/players to see how they do, but agree to disagree then.
I think you are missing the point of a second chance season. People who won should be brought back for All-Stars or some other type of twisted season like the coaches or duos or something new. Second Chance should be given to people who left early, or even made it far and were screwed. I wouldn't want to see people like Da'Vonne, Kaitlin, Nick, Cassi, Dominic who left early in week one or two and deserve a second chance with people like Derrick, or Ian who made it the whole 90 something days, played the whole game, and even won.
Persoanlly there aren't a lot of early boots I'm eager to see again so that might be why. Like I probably have a total of 5 or so that I REALLY wanna see again and not a full cast of them.
It doesn't necessarily have to be early boots in my opinion. I wouldn't mind people who made it to jury. Like a Candice, Jessie, Zach, Donny, Nicole, Matt, Eric, Shane, Kalia etc. Some could be considered All-Stars though I guess.
Yeah that would be alot better, people like Jessica (BB8), Candice, Nicole, and so on who never reached their full potential would be cool to see back.
Why do people on this site consistently try to test me.
Please stop bringing Jessica up. I get so emotional every time. I was just beginning to get over the fact that we came so close to getting her back, almost like a tease, and seemingly out of nowhere BB was just like NAH ***** here's some more Jessie Godderz for you, Got 'Eeem!
Not really, winners can get second chances too, I don't see why it has to be exclusive to just people who didn't win when it could be even more fun and add to them as characters/players to see how they do, but agree to disagree then.
I think you are missing the point of a second chance season. People who won should be brought back for All-Stars or some other type of twisted season like the coaches or duos or something new. Second Chance should be given to people who left early, or even made it far and were screwed. I wouldn't want to see people like Da'Vonne, Kaitlin, Nick, Cassi, Dominic who left early in week one or two and deserve a second chance with people like Derrick, or Ian who made it the whole 90 something days, played the whole game, and even won.
Persoanlly there aren't a lot of early boots I'm eager to see again so that might be why. Like I probably have a total of 5 or so that I REALLY wanna see again and not a full cast of them.
It doesn't necessarily have to be early boots in my opinion. I wouldn't mind people who made it to jury. Like a Candice, Jessie, Zach, Donny, Nicole, Matt, Eric, Shane, Kalia etc. Some could be considered All-Stars though I guess.
Yeah that would be alot better, people like Jessica (BB8), Candice, Nicole, and so on who never reached their full potential would be cool to see back.
Why do people on this site consistently try to test me.
Please stop bringing Jessica up. I get so emotional every time. I was just beginning to get over the fact that we came so close to getting her back, almost like a tease, and seemingly out of nowhere BB was just like NAH ***** here's some more Jessie Godderz for you, Got 'Eeem!
for a second i was worried you didn't like jessica and was gonna question your taste, love jessica and was heartbroken she didn't get a second shot. so cute and adorable, yet game savvy as well as being aware very much, yet not really being proactive enough to change the game up.
Not really, winners can get second chances too, I don't see why it has to be exclusive to just people who didn't win when it could be even more fun and add to them as characters/players to see how they do, but agree to disagree then.
I think you are missing the point of a second chance season. People who won should be brought back for All-Stars or some other type of twisted season like the coaches or duos or something new. Second Chance should be given to people who left early, or even made it far and were screwed. I wouldn't want to see people like Da'Vonne, Kaitlin, Nick, Cassi, Dominic who left early in week one or two and deserve a second chance with people like Derrick, or Ian who made it the whole 90 something days, played the whole game, and even won.
Persoanlly there aren't a lot of early boots I'm eager to see again so that might be why. Like I probably have a total of 5 or so that I REALLY wanna see again and not a full cast of them.
It doesn't necessarily have to be early boots in my opinion. I wouldn't mind people who made it to jury. Like a Candice, Jessie, Zach, Donny, Nicole, Matt, Eric, Shane, Kalia etc. Some could be considered All-Stars though I guess.
Yeah that would be alot better, people like Jessica (BB8), Candice, Nicole, and so on who never reached their full potential would be cool to see back.
Why do people on this site consistently try to test me.
Please stop bringing Jessica up. I get so emotional every time. I was just beginning to get over the fact that we came so close to getting her back, almost like a tease, and seemingly out of nowhere BB was just like NAH ***** here's some more Jessie Godderz for you, Got 'Eeem!
for a second i was worried you didn't like jessica and was gonna question your taste, love jessica and was heartbroken she didn't get a second shot. so cute and adorable, yet game savvy as well as being aware very much, yet not really being proactive enough to change the game up.
**** she's legit one of my all time favorites.
I like to think Eric might have hindered her game a bit.
No, perfect example is Jordan from BB11 who had a strong social game and was very well liekd, but wasn't very proactive in strategy and so on. Social game pretty much embodies being well liked by the hgs and from there comes more information like trust and more game talk. It's cool that you think that, but it doesnt change the fact that, that is a legit reason for Cody not to take Victoria to f2. Caleb, Frankie, and Christine have all said they'd vote Victoria if she was taken there by an original alliance member so I'll take their word over a fans.
Yea but Jordan is one of the worst winners the show has. If you put her in a house with Derrick, Ian, Dan, Janelle, Dani, Rachel, ******, Wil, etc. she wouldn't win in the final 2 with any of them no matter who many friends she had on the Jury. She got lucky because she wasn't against someone who was dominat in the game. I know they've said it but I know for sure that they would not have voted for her. Christine and Frankie were both flirty and close friends with Cody. As fans of the game they would have respected his dectision to cut Derrick. None of them talked game or worked with Victoria. If you think that they actually would have voted for Victoria then I don't really think I can take any of what you say seriously, no offense.
Right but that's not really fair to say at all, each winner wins udner certain circumstances and such and while Jordan is definitely one of the more lackluster winners, it's silly tod egrade it by saying she'd suck with better players.
Except that you don't know that, because we never saw that final 2 happen/jury vote? You can't say that as a fact as we have no diea what their reaction/feeligns would be to Cody doing that, what we do know is they made a group decision to not willingly go to the end with Victoria or that would burn jury votes. Whetehr it was for strategy on Derrick's aprt to get to the f2 or just what theyd ecided as a group doesn't change the fact that, that was something they all said and agreed upon. Way to take a condscending tone though
Right but that's not really fair to say at all, each winner wins udner certain circumstances and such and while Jordan is definitely one of the more lackluster winners, it's silly tod egrade it by saying she'd suck with better players.
Except that you don't know that, because we never saw that final 2 happen/jury vote? You can't say that as a fact as we have no diea what their reaction/feeligns would be to Cody doing that, what we do know is they made a group decision to not willingly go to the end with Victoria or that would burn jury votes. Whetehr it was for strategy on Derrick's aprt to get to the f2 or just what theyd ecided as a group doesn't change the fact that, that was something they all said and agreed upon. Way to take a condscending tone though
She was thrown in with ****, Dani, Brendan, Rachel and Jeff(obviously) and sucked. She was worse than Kalia and Porsche in my opinion.
As Big Brother fans they would not have voted for Victoria. There is absolutley NO chance. Some them said they might have (due to the initial shock) but Victoria didn't do anything to deserve it. In a Cody vs Victoria final 2, Cody would at least have Zach, Nicole, Donny, Derrick, Jocasta and Christine. That's enough to win right there. Hayden probably would have voted for Victoria. Frankie and Caleb would still have voted for Cody too in my opinion. I don't think you actually understand Big Brother. People threaten Jury votes all the time as a strategy to keep themselves in the game. Frankie, Caleb and Christine were already evicted before the finals. No chance they would actually throw their vote to Victoria for Cody making a smart/good move for his own game. As Big Brother fans, no chance that would have happened no matter what they said.
Jordan didn't even wanna do BB13 and only did so for Jeff so that doesn't really hold any relevance to me.
Why? Lol you speak about them like they're robots, they're people with emotions and real feelings. Beign a big brother fan doesn't mean you won't be upset your friend had a hand in taking 500K away from you. There is definitely the chance thatw as just a scae atctic, but it's a legitmate one and to say "lolno they're fans they'd udnerstand!!!" is overly simplyfing the game.
Jordan didn't even wanna do BB13 and only did so for Jeff so that doesn't really hold any relevance to me.
Why? Lol you speak about them like they're robots, they're people with emotions and real feelings. Beign a big brother fan doesn't mean you won't be upset your friend had a hand in taking 500K away from you. There is definitely the chance thatw as just a scae atctic, but it's a legitmate one and to say "lolno they're fans they'd udnerstand!!!" is overly simplyfing the game.
But she did play, and literally did nothing. That's the point. She didn't want to be there, no matter how many friends she had she wouldn't have won unless she was up against someone who sucked.
Yea they have emotions and feelings but it's just a game. If they can't overlook a smart game move because of their feelings than they shouldn't be playing. Cody played better than Victoria and he was more friendly with all of them than Victoria was anyway. It would have been a guaranteed win against her.
But that doesn't matter because she literally didn't wanna be there, so her being so bad isn't a fair point. I still think Jordan is one of the worst winners, but even still a worthy winner at that.
That's kinda shortsighted. To us, it's a game. To them, that games becomes personal as you make close bonds and are with these people all summer and get close to people. There's also a lot of money at stake at the end as well so to say it's just a game is really silly when it's a lot more than that.
But that doesn't matter because she literally didn't wanna be there, so her being so bad isn't a fair point. I still think Jordan is one of the worst winners, but even still a worthy winner at that. That's kinda shortsighted. To us, it's a game. To them, that games becomes personal as you make close bonds and are with these people all summer and get close to people. There's also a lot of money at stake at the end as well so to say it's just a game is really silly when it's a lot more than that.
But her not wanting to be there made her play a bad game so it does matter. She played two seasons and she was COMPLETELY irrelevant during one of them. She's definitely one of the worst winners, but I definitley agree that shes worthy. It's extremely hard to get to the end, and if you do AND get votes I give you a lot of credit. Just my personal opinion Jordan and Andy are two winners who I'm not a big fan of. Yes, the game is personal to them, but they had close relationships with Cody. No matter how shocked or offended they would be if he took Victoria, they still would have voted him based on the personal relationships they had with him. No one (other than Derrick) had any close relationships with Victoria. Just because you don't have close relationships doesn't mean you can't win, but she had no social game or comeptition game so I don't think she would have beaten Cody no matter what pact they all made. A lot of time people threaten to not vote for people in Jury or threaten to taint the Jury if they are evicted, but only say that for the game.
Hmmm hate Andy, but he was a pretty good winner. My favorite winners would probably be Dan, Ian, and Will (not best players but favorite). A lot of the winners are pretty good, just make for bad tv or anticlimactic whereas those 3 had epic turnarounds.
Nah, Jason was like the most well liked hg by a huge distance, he crushes anyone very easily. Lisa also has a shot if the jury is sequestered too, but Jason definitely wins if he makes final 2.
Shockingly we disagree...and Lisa has no shot if the jury is sequestered--none
Yeah that's not true haha, Lisa still very much has a shot. I love Dani, but you're making it out as if she would have won no matter what if the jury was sequestered.
The jury members stated it many times after the fact.
Hmmm hate Andy, but he was a pretty good winner. My favorite winners would probably be Dan, Ian, and Will (not best players but favorite). A lot of the winners are pretty good, just make for bad tv or anticlimactic whereas those 3 had epic turnarounds.
See I hated him and didn't think he was that good of a winner. I guess I am bias because I don't like the rat type of players. He didn't really do anything until the end but I guess compared to most of the other people that season he was good. Agreed with Dan and Ian. I didn't watch Will's season live, but agree with that too. Not a Jordan fan, not a Rachel fan but she deserved it, not a Derrick fan. Loved the **** and Daniele combo. Hated how the brigade controlled the game but was pretty happy with Hayden winning. Hated Adam.
Andy didn't need to control things early on though and he had so much power and always knew how to use it and when to make moves. His game isn't flashy, but doesn't need to be. He had a good hand in everything that happened after week 2, but just made sure others were more apparent targets and he hid in the background. Helen, Amanda, Aaryn, Elissa were all bigger threats, did he have a shitty cast? Yeah, but he's still a very good player imo.
Andy didn't need to control things early on though and he had so much power and always knew how to use it and when to make moves. His game isn't flashy, but doesn't need to be. He had a good hand in everything that happened after week 2, but just made sure others were more apparent targets and he hid in the background. Helen, Amanda, Aaryn, Elissa were all bigger threats, did he have a shitty cast? Yeah, but he's still a very good player imo.
I don't care about whether he did or didn't need to control things early on. I'm only talking about him on a personal level. He wasn't fun to watch so I was disappointed he won. I didn't even know he was in th game until like the final 5 pretty much. I think he is one of the weakest winners as well.
I only went over his gameplay because you were writing off his game by saying he didn't do anything to the game and he wasn't really that good when he was imo. Jordan, Rachel, Ian, Adam, and Lisa are definitely weaker winners as well.
I only went over his gameplay because you were writing off his game by saying he didn't do anything to the game and he wasn't really that good when he was imo. Jordan, Rachel, Ian, Adam, and Lisa are definitely weaker winners as well.
I hate Rachel but I think she deserved her win. She was a target the second she walked into the house. She worked with the vets and made deals with the newbies. She won 4 HOH's and 2 veto's and was nominated 5 times throughout the season. Ian was someone who wasn't really seen as a threat until the end but actually played throughout the game. He was in alliances, backstabbed Frank and ******, made moves, was only nominated twice towards the end, and won 4 HOH's and 1 veto. Competitions aren't an automatic win in anway, they are more on the backburner in my opinion, but if you're a comp beast or go on a winning streak and make it to the end, I definitely will give you huge props for that. You fought to save yourself while making yourself a biggertarget along the way. Jordan and Adam I agree with. I think Andy is up there. Hayden was boring but I think he was a good winner for that season. As for Lisa, I didn't watch BB3 but I know from being a fan that Danielle should have won.
Yeah that's not true haha, Lisa still very much has a shot. I love Dani, but you're making it out as if she would have won no matter what if the jury was sequestered.
Cody had a lot of friends but wasn't good at the social aspect of the game. He stuck with Derrick and whatever he wanted to do, and never wanted to confront anyone or make big moves. His first HOH he got out Brittany who was like his best friend/flirtmance in the game at the time. His second HOH he got out Donny which was a smart game move because Donny was loved but he did it for personal reasons not for game. His third HOH he evicted Victoria who he should have won unainmously against and left Derrick in the game who slaughtered him. I wouldn't mind seeing Cody play again without Derrick. Hopefully he would show up as a competitor.
Porsche slept all summer long until the end of the game. She started to win competitions and make moves. If she played all summer long she would be rememered as a better player. If she wasn't up against Rachel she would have had a better shot.
I think you are missing the point of a second chance season. People who won should be brought back for All-Stars or some other type of twisted season like the coaches or duos or something new. Second Chance should be given to people who left early, or even made it far and were screwed. I wouldn't want to see people like Da'Vonne, Kaitlin, Nick, Cassi, Dominic who left early in week one or two and deserve a second chance with people like Derrick, or Ian who made it the whole 90 something days, played the whole game, and even won.
The first sentence contradicts itself, having a lot of friends means you're good socially. I mean is confronting someone or making big moves important if they're not gonna get you where you need to go? I agree he should have done more and stepped out of Derrick's shadow, but Brittanys crewed herself with the way she played her last week or so and yeah Victoria gets at least a few votes and could even win since Derrick made a pact that anyone takes VCictoria to the end will not get votes from the alliance so he was kind of stuck there.
Porsche was just a lot more utr and people confuse that with just sleeping all summer. Evene against Rachel, she could of won and should have seeing as Shelley hated Rcahel during the game, but somehow voted for her.
Persoanlly there aren't a lot of early boots I'm eager to see again so that might be why. Like I probably have a total of 5 or so that I REALLY wanna see again and not a full cast of them.
BBCAN has better casting but the third seasons had WAY too many twists...
I still maintain to this day that Porsche was working a legitimate strategy those first few weeks of the game. I mean, she agreed to sit on the block and get the golden key. I feel like her biggest downfall was not able being to convey and articulate her strategy better to the jury. If she was better with words, she could have beaten Rachel. Shit, even just lowkey comments about playing the game by not playing during the first few weeks and casually bringing that legit strategy up to people heading out the door could've been enough. I'm not a fan of Porsche, and that F2 is definitely a top contender for worst final 2 ever. Watching their jury speeches and listening to those two answer the questions was cringe inducing, but I believe that's where Porsche lost. And I almost hate her more than Rachel, just because she couldn't sound smarter than Rachel for 20 mins.
It doesn't necessarily have to be early boots in my opinion. I wouldn't mind people who made it to jury. Like a Candice, Jessie, Zach, Donny, Nicole, Matt, Eric, Shane, Kalia etc. Some could be considered All-Stars though I guess.
absolutely agree
Yeah that would be alot better, people like Jessica (BB8), Candice, Nicole, and so on who never reached their full potential would be cool to see back.
Just because you have friends doesn't necessarily mean you have a strong social game. Victoria could have been best friends with everyone but wouldn't have won. That IS important but social game is definitely moe than just hanging out and making friends. Alliances, strategy, game talk, lies, talking your way out of things, convincing people of things etc. makes up a social game. Victoria absolutley does not win no matter who she was against. I don't care what pact there was or what people in the jury house said. If Cody took Victoria he would have won. Derrick, Zach, Nicole, Donny, Jocasta, Frankie, Christine, and Caleb would have all voted for Cody. Not so sure about Hayden.
Agreed 100%. A good mix of like 5-7 early boots and the rest jury favorites who got screwed could make a great season. If you through Derrick or Ian in there and they happened to do well again, I feel like it would take away from people like Jessica, Candice and Nicole who I want to see get there chance to play. Rather than seeing someone we've already seen go all the way do it again.
No, perfect example is Jordan from BB11 who had a strong social game and was very well liekd, but wasn't very proactive in strategy and so on. Social game pretty much embodies being well liked by the hgs and from there comes more information like trust and more game talk. It's cool that you think that, but it doesnt change the fact that, that is a legit reason for Cody not to take Victoria to f2. Caleb, Frankie, and Christine have all said they'd vote Victoria if she was taken there by an original alliance member so I'll take their word over a fans.
Why do people on this site consistently try to test me.
Please stop bringing Jessica up. I get so emotional every time. I was just beginning to get over the fact that we came so close to getting her back, almost like a tease, and seemingly out of nowhere BB was just like NAH ***** here's some more Jessie Godderz for you, Got 'Eeem!
for a second i was worried you didn't like jessica and was gonna question your taste, love jessica and was heartbroken she didn't get a second shot. so cute and adorable, yet game savvy as well as being aware very much, yet not really being proactive enough to change the game up.
**** she's legit one of my all time favorites.
I like to think Eric might have hindered her game a bit.
Yea but Jordan is one of the worst winners the show has. If you put her in a house with Derrick, Ian, Dan, Janelle, Dani, Rachel, ******, Wil, etc. she wouldn't win in the final 2 with any of them no matter who many friends she had on the Jury. She got lucky because she wasn't against someone who was dominat in the game. I know they've said it but I know for sure that they would not have voted for her. Christine and Frankie were both flirty and close friends with Cody. As fans of the game they would have respected his dectision to cut Derrick. None of them talked game or worked with Victoria. If you think that they actually would have voted for Victoria then I don't really think I can take any of what you say seriously, no offense.
Right but that's not really fair to say at all, each winner wins udner certain circumstances and such and while Jordan is definitely one of the more lackluster winners, it's silly tod egrade it by saying she'd suck with better players.
Except that you don't know that, because we never saw that final 2 happen/jury vote? You can't say that as a fact as we have no diea what their reaction/feeligns would be to Cody doing that, what we do know is they made a group decision to not willingly go to the end with Victoria or that would burn jury votes. Whetehr it was for strategy on Derrick's aprt to get to the f2 or just what theyd ecided as a group doesn't change the fact that, that was something they all said and agreed upon. Way to take a condscending tone though
She was thrown in with ****, Dani, Brendan, Rachel and Jeff(obviously) and sucked. She was worse than Kalia and Porsche in my opinion.
As Big Brother fans they would not have voted for Victoria. There is absolutley NO chance. Some them said they might have (due to the initial shock) but Victoria didn't do anything to deserve it. In a Cody vs Victoria final 2, Cody would at least have Zach, Nicole, Donny, Derrick, Jocasta and Christine. That's enough to win right there. Hayden probably would have voted for Victoria. Frankie and Caleb would still have voted for Cody too in my opinion. I don't think you actually understand Big Brother. People threaten Jury votes all the time as a strategy to keep themselves in the game. Frankie, Caleb and Christine were already evicted before the finals. No chance they would actually throw their vote to Victoria for Cody making a smart/good move for his own game. As Big Brother fans, no chance that would have happened no matter what they said.
Jordan didn't even wanna do BB13 and only did so for Jeff so that doesn't really hold any relevance to me.
Why? Lol you speak about them like they're robots, they're people with emotions and real feelings. Beign a big brother fan doesn't mean you won't be upset your friend had a hand in taking 500K away from you. There is definitely the chance thatw as just a scae atctic, but it's a legitmate one and to say "lolno they're fans they'd udnerstand!!!" is overly simplyfing the game.
But she did play, and literally did nothing. That's the point. She didn't want to be there, no matter how many friends she had she wouldn't have won unless she was up against someone who sucked.
Yea they have emotions and feelings but it's just a game. If they can't overlook a smart game move because of their feelings than they shouldn't be playing. Cody played better than Victoria and he was more friendly with all of them than Victoria was anyway. It would have been a guaranteed win against her.
But that doesn't matter because she literally didn't wanna be there, so her being so bad isn't a fair point. I still think Jordan is one of the worst winners, but even still a worthy winner at that.
That's kinda shortsighted. To us, it's a game. To them, that games becomes personal as you make close bonds and are with these people all summer and get close to people. There's also a lot of money at stake at the end as well so to say it's just a game is really silly when it's a lot more than that.
But her not wanting to be there made her play a bad game so it does matter. She played two seasons and she was COMPLETELY irrelevant during one of them. She's definitely one of the worst winners, but I definitley agree that shes worthy. It's extremely hard to get to the end, and if you do AND get votes I give you a lot of credit. Just my personal opinion Jordan and Andy are two winners who I'm not a big fan of. Yes, the game is personal to them, but they had close relationships with Cody. No matter how shocked or offended they would be if he took Victoria, they still would have voted him based on the personal relationships they had with him. No one (other than Derrick) had any close relationships with Victoria. Just because you don't have close relationships doesn't mean you can't win, but she had no social game or comeptition game so I don't think she would have beaten Cody no matter what pact they all made. A lot of time people threaten to not vote for people in Jury or threaten to taint the Jury if they are evicted, but only say that for the game.
Hmmm hate Andy, but he was a pretty good winner. My favorite winners would probably be Dan, Ian, and Will (not best players but favorite). A lot of the winners are pretty good, just make for bad tv or anticlimactic whereas those 3 had epic turnarounds.
The jury members stated it many times after the fact.
See I hated him and didn't think he was that good of a winner. I guess I am bias because I don't like the rat type of players. He didn't really do anything until the end but I guess compared to most of the other people that season he was good. Agreed with Dan and Ian. I didn't watch Will's season live, but agree with that too. Not a Jordan fan, not a Rachel fan but she deserved it, not a Derrick fan. Loved the **** and Daniele combo. Hated how the brigade controlled the game but was pretty happy with Hayden winning. Hated Adam.
Andy didn't need to control things early on though and he had so much power and always knew how to use it and when to make moves. His game isn't flashy, but doesn't need to be. He had a good hand in everything that happened after week 2, but just made sure others were more apparent targets and he hid in the background. Helen, Amanda, Aaryn, Elissa were all bigger threats, did he have a shitty cast? Yeah, but he's still a very good player imo.
I don't care about whether he did or didn't need to control things early on. I'm only talking about him on a personal level. He wasn't fun to watch so I was disappointed he won. I didn't even know he was in th game until like the final 5 pretty much. I think he is one of the weakest winners as well.
I only went over his gameplay because you were writing off his game by saying he didn't do anything to the game and he wasn't really that good when he was imo. Jordan, Rachel, Ian, Adam, and Lisa are definitely weaker winners as well.
I hate Rachel but I think she deserved her win. She was a target the second she walked into the house. She worked with the vets and made deals with the newbies. She won 4 HOH's and 2 veto's and was nominated 5 times throughout the season. Ian was someone who wasn't really seen as a threat until the end but actually played throughout the game. He was in alliances, backstabbed Frank and ******, made moves, was only nominated twice towards the end, and won 4 HOH's and 1 veto. Competitions aren't an automatic win in anway, they are more on the backburner in my opinion, but if you're a comp beast or go on a winning streak and make it to the end, I definitely will give you huge props for that. You fought to save yourself while making yourself a biggertarget along the way. Jordan and Adam I agree with. I think Andy is up there. Hayden was boring but I think he was a good winner for that season. As for Lisa, I didn't watch BB3 but I know from being a fan that Danielle should have won.
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