I only went over his gameplay because you were writing off his game by saying he didn't do anything to the game and he wasn't really that good when he was imo. Jordan, Rachel, Ian, Adam, and Lisa are definitely weaker winners as well.
I hate Rachel but I think she deserved her win. She was a target the second she walked into the house. She worked with the vets and made deals with the newbies. She won 4 HOH's and 2 veto's and was nominated 5 times throughout the season. Ian was someone who wasn't really seen as a threat until the end but actually played throughout the game. He was in alliances, backstabbed Frank and ******, made moves, was only nominated twice towards the end, and won 4 HOH's and 1 veto. Competitions aren't an automatic win in anway, they are more on the backburner in my opinion, but if you're a comp beast or go on a winning streak and make it to the end, I definitely will give you huge props for that. You fought to save yourself while making yourself a biggertarget along the way. Jordan and Adam I agree with. I think Andy is up there. Hayden was boring but I think he was a good winner for that season. As for Lisa, I didn't watch BB3 but I know from being a fan that Danielle should have won.
Did you intentionally quote her F2 speech word for word? This is legit the EXACT thing she said for every question, plus her speech... Really has a way with words.....
Andy didn't need to control things early on though and he had so much power and always knew how to use it and when to make moves. His game isn't flashy, but doesn't need to be. He had a good hand in everything that happened after week 2, but just made sure others were more apparent targets and he hid in the background. Helen, Amanda, Aaryn, Elissa were all bigger threats, did he have a shitty cast? Yeah, but he's still a very good player imo.
I don't care about whether he did or didn't need to control things early on. I'm only talking about him on a personal level. He wasn't fun to watch so I was disappointed he won. I didn't even know he was in th game until like the final 5 pretty much. I think he is one of the weakest winners as well.
Not sure how you didn't notice him--he played a great game from the very beginning
I only went over his gameplay because you were writing off his game by saying he didn't do anything to the game and he wasn't really that good when he was imo. Jordan, Rachel, Ian, Adam, and Lisa are definitely weaker winners as well.
I hate Rachel but I think she deserved her win. She was a target the second she walked into the house. She worked with the vets and made deals with the newbies. She won 4 HOH's and 2 veto's and was nominated 5 times throughout the season. Ian was someone who wasn't really seen as a threat until the end but actually played throughout the game. He was in alliances, backstabbed Frank and ******, made moves, was only nominated twice towards the end, and won 4 HOH's and 1 veto. Competitions aren't an automatic win in anway, they are more on the backburner in my opinion, but if you're a comp beast or go on a winning streak and make it to the end, I definitely will give you huge props for that. You fought to save yourself while making yourself a biggertarget along the way. Jordan and Adam I agree with. I think Andy is up there. Hayden was boring but I think he was a good winner for that season. As for Lisa, I didn't watch BB3 but I know from being a fan that Danielle should have won.
Yeah but ifyou have to win comps to make the final 2 or even survive one week, is tour gameplay really that good? Also Rachel had such a rigged win (see the Pandora box twist and how the veto was catered to her as well as the next hoh). It's pretty common knowledge how rigged it was for her and the veterans in general. Hayden is one of the better winners for sure.
I only went over his gameplay because you were writing off his game by saying he didn't do anything to the game and he wasn't really that good when he was imo. Jordan, Rachel, Ian, Adam, and Lisa are definitely weaker winners as well.
I hate Rachel but I think she deserved her win. She was a target the second she walked into the house. She worked with the vets and made deals with the newbies. She won 4 HOH's and 2 veto's and was nominated 5 times throughout the season. Ian was someone who wasn't really seen as a threat until the end but actually played throughout the game. He was in alliances, backstabbed Frank and ******, made moves, was only nominated twice towards the end, and won 4 HOH's and 1 veto. Competitions aren't an automatic win in anway, they are more on the backburner in my opinion, but if you're a comp beast or go on a winning streak and make it to the end, I definitely will give you huge props for that. You fought to save yourself while making yourself a biggertarget along the way. Jordan and Adam I agree with. I think Andy is up there. Hayden was boring but I think he was a good winner for that season. As for Lisa, I didn't watch BB3 but I know from being a fan that Danielle should have won.
Did you intentionally quote her F2 speech word for word? This is legit the EXACT thing she said for every question, plus her speech... Really has a way with words.....
No haha it's just all true. Like I said I hate her but she deserved the win over Porsche, Adam and Jordan even though I wouldn't have minded Porsche winning.
Andy didn't need to control things early on though and he had so much power and always knew how to use it and when to make moves. His game isn't flashy, but doesn't need to be. He had a good hand in everything that happened after week 2, but just made sure others were more apparent targets and he hid in the background. Helen, Amanda, Aaryn, Elissa were all bigger threats, did he have a shitty cast? Yeah, but he's still a very good player imo.
I don't care about whether he did or didn't need to control things early on. I'm only talking about him on a personal level. He wasn't fun to watch so I was disappointed he won. I didn't even know he was in th game until like the final 5 pretty much. I think he is one of the weakest winners as well.
Not sure how you didn't notice him--he played a great game from the very beginning
He wasn't a central character until mid to end of the season and I personally don't consider someone taking information given to them and running to their master and telling them everything a good game. If the other side of the house (Helen) wasn't idiotic, he would have been gone.
I only went over his gameplay because you were writing off his game by saying he didn't do anything to the game and he wasn't really that good when he was imo. Jordan, Rachel, Ian, Adam, and Lisa are definitely weaker winners as well.
I hate Rachel but I think she deserved her win. She was a target the second she walked into the house. She worked with the vets and made deals with the newbies. She won 4 HOH's and 2 veto's and was nominated 5 times throughout the season. Ian was someone who wasn't really seen as a threat until the end but actually played throughout the game. He was in alliances, backstabbed Frank and ******, made moves, was only nominated twice towards the end, and won 4 HOH's and 1 veto. Competitions aren't an automatic win in anway, they are more on the backburner in my opinion, but if you're a comp beast or go on a winning streak and make it to the end, I definitely will give you huge props for that. You fought to save yourself while making yourself a biggertarget along the way. Jordan and Adam I agree with. I think Andy is up there. Hayden was boring but I think he was a good winner for that season. As for Lisa, I didn't watch BB3 but I know from being a fan that Danielle should have won.
Yeah but ifyou have to win comps to make the final 2 or even survive one week, is tour gameplay really that good? Also Rachel had such a rigged win (see the Pandora box twist and how the veto was catered to her as well as the next hoh). It's pretty common knowledge how rigged it was for her and the veterans in general. Hayden is one of the better winners for sure.
Yes, because by winning competitions you are utalizing a huge part of the game to guarantee your spot in the finals. Winning competitions isn't everything but it's HUGE. If you win HOH you are basically deciding who goes home that week winning POV guarantees you saving yourself or an ally who may be on the block. There are many people who are sent home for not winning competitions. If Da'Vonne won the pov this week she would have stayed and there could have been a flip in the game which caused her to make it to the end and even win, but because she didn't she was sent home second. So yes your gameplay can still be good even if you have to win competitions. That's like saying Victoria and Godfrey (BBCAN3) were great players. As for Pandora's box very true. I forgot about that until now. I was SO ****** about that. Them going back to duos for that week was such bullshit. But out of the final 4 I still think she deserves the win. I wouldn't have minded Porsche beating her though (I was actually rooting for her) but as much as I hate her, I dont think Rachel is an unworthy winner (besides having the help on her side).
Obviously it can help and improve your game, but having to win a comp or needing to survive shows a flaw in one's game. Andy never NEEDED to win a competition and various others didn't either to stick around. Also, HOH doesn't decide who goes home, lol that's the house majority, as an example Janelle thought Marcellas was staying when she was HOH, but that quickly changed. It certainly has an importance, but having to rely on it as opposed to not needing it because you are that good socially is what I tend to respect/see as a better player. I never implied one's game is bad if they have to do this, just much weaker than those who don't.
I wouldn't label anyone unworthy, but she's the closest to it for production helping her out so much to ensure a veteran would win.
Andy didn't need to control things early on though and he had so much power and always knew how to use it and when to make moves. His game isn't flashy, but doesn't need to be. He had a good hand in everything that happened after week 2, but just made sure others were more apparent targets and he hid in the background. Helen, Amanda, Aaryn, Elissa were all bigger threats, did he have a shitty cast? Yeah, but he's still a very good player imo.
I don't care about whether he did or didn't need to control things early on. I'm only talking about him on a personal level. He wasn't fun to watch so I was disappointed he won. I didn't even know he was in th game until like the final 5 pretty much. I think he is one of the weakest winners as well.
Not sure how you didn't notice him--he played a great game from the very beginning
He wasn't a central character until mid to end of the season and I personally don't consider someone taking information given to them and running to their master and telling them everything a good game. If the other side of the house (Helen) wasn't idiotic, he would have been gone.
How is that not good when it worked out best for him and people would still trust/be cool with him? That's actually ironic you label Amanda as his master, because that just shows you still don't graps his game. Andy is fine with letting Amanda or whoever think they're the master, because it helps him at the end of the day. Talking about housegeust being dumb is a moot point since a lot of the modern casts are dumber, though Elissa definitely caught on to Andy.
Obviously it can help and improve your game, but having to win a comp or needing to survive shows a flaw in one's game. Andy never NEEDED to win a competition and various others didn't either to stick around. Also, HOH doesn't decide who goes home, lol that's the house majority, as an example Janelle thought Marcellas was staying when she was HOH, but that quickly changed. It certainly has an importance, but having to rely on it as opposed to not needing it because you are that good socially is what I tend to respect/see as a better player. I never implied one's game is bad if they have to do this, just much weaker than those who don't.
I wouldn't label anyone unworthy, but she's the closest to it for production helping her out so much to ensure a veteran would win.
I know that, but if you win HOH you are safe and you put two players fate in your hands.
Andy didn't need to control things early on though and he had so much power and always knew how to use it and when to make moves. His game isn't flashy, but doesn't need to be. He had a good hand in everything that happened after week 2, but just made sure others were more apparent targets and he hid in the background. Helen, Amanda, Aaryn, Elissa were all bigger threats, did he have a shitty cast? Yeah, but he's still a very good player imo.
I don't care about whether he did or didn't need to control things early on. I'm only talking about him on a personal level. He wasn't fun to watch so I was disappointed he won. I didn't even know he was in th game until like the final 5 pretty much. I think he is one of the weakest winners as well.
Not sure how you didn't notice him--he played a great game from the very beginning
He wasn't a central character until mid to end of the season and I personally don't consider someone taking information given to them and running to their master and telling them everything a good game. If the other side of the house (Helen) wasn't idiotic, he would have been gone.
How is that not good when it worked out best for him and people would still trust/be cool with him? That's actually ironic you label Amanda as his master, because that just shows you still don't graps his game. Andy is fine with letting Amanda or whoever think they're the master, because it helps him at the end of the day. Talking about housegeust being dumb is a moot point since a lot of the modern casts are dumber, though Elissa definitely caught on to Andy.
Andy played a shitty game, didn't get caught because he was playing with idiots and got lucky in the end. BB15 is known to have one of the worst final 3's in the history of the game as well as one of the most disappointing winners.
Andy didn't need to control things early on though and he had so much power and always knew how to use it and when to make moves. His game isn't flashy, but doesn't need to be. He had a good hand in everything that happened after week 2, but just made sure others were more apparent targets and he hid in the background. Helen, Amanda, Aaryn, Elissa were all bigger threats, did he have a shitty cast? Yeah, but he's still a very good player imo.
I don't care about whether he did or didn't need to control things early on. I'm only talking about him on a personal level. He wasn't fun to watch so I was disappointed he won. I didn't even know he was in th game until like the final 5 pretty much. I think he is one of the weakest winners as well.
Not sure how you didn't notice him--he played a great game from the very beginning
He wasn't a central character until mid to end of the season and I personally don't consider someone taking information given to them and running to their master and telling them everything a good game. If the other side of the house (Helen) wasn't idiotic, he would have been gone.
How is that not good when it worked out best for him and people would still trust/be cool with him? That's actually ironic you label Amanda as his master, because that just shows you still don't graps his game. Andy is fine with letting Amanda or whoever think they're the master, because it helps him at the end of the day. Talking about housegeust being dumb is a moot point since a lot of the modern casts are dumber, though Elissa definitely caught on to Andy.
Andy played a shitty game, didn't get caught because he was playing with idiots and got lucky in the end. BB15 is known to have one of the worst final 3's in the history of the game as well as one of the most disappointing winners.
Nah, he played one of the better games and an elite floater game. So many casts have idiots, like the last 5 or so do so that point is irrelevant and doesn't detract from his skills. It's one of the worst because of the HG's personalities, same for the winner. I don't like Maggie at all, but she played a great game and so did Andy. People let their bias blind them so much.
Andy's game was picture perfect--much like Jun...some people just don't respect great game play if they aren't overly entertaining
Yeah, it's easy to see why a Dan/Derrick/Will played great, but just ebcause you aren't being overly flashy doesn't mean you aren't a good/great player. Next thing we'll hear Russell Hantz is a good player
Andy didn't need to control things early on though and he had so much power and always knew how to use it and when to make moves. His game isn't flashy, but doesn't need to be. He had a good hand in everything that happened after week 2, but just made sure others were more apparent targets and he hid in the background. Helen, Amanda, Aaryn, Elissa were all bigger threats, did he have a shitty cast? Yeah, but he's still a very good player imo.
I don't care about whether he did or didn't need to control things early on. I'm only talking about him on a personal level. He wasn't fun to watch so I was disappointed he won. I didn't even know he was in th game until like the final 5 pretty much. I think he is one of the weakest winners as well.
Not sure how you didn't notice him--he played a great game from the very beginning
He wasn't a central character until mid to end of the season and I personally don't consider someone taking information given to them and running to their master and telling them everything a good game. If the other side of the house (Helen) wasn't idiotic, he would have been gone.
How is that not good when it worked out best for him and people would still trust/be cool with him? That's actually ironic you label Amanda as his master, because that just shows you still don't graps his game. Andy is fine with letting Amanda or whoever think they're the master, because it helps him at the end of the day. Talking about housegeust being dumb is a moot point since a lot of the modern casts are dumber, though Elissa definitely caught on to Andy.
Andy played a shitty game, didn't get caught because he was playing with idiots and got lucky in the end. BB15 is known to have one of the worst final 3's in the history of the game as well as one of the most disappointing winners.
Nah, he played one of the better games and an elite floater game. So many casts have idiots, like the last 5 or so do so that point is irrelevant and doesn't detract from his skills. It's one of the worst because of the HG's personalities, same for the winner. I don't like Maggie at all, but she played a great game and so did Andy. People let their bias blind them so much.
That's the perfect way to describe it. I don't respect a floater game. No bias here. Not saying he didn't do anything to deserve it, I can't say he didn't play, but definitely a shitty winner IMO.
Andy didn't need to control things early on though and he had so much power and always knew how to use it and when to make moves. His game isn't flashy, but doesn't need to be. He had a good hand in everything that happened after week 2, but just made sure others were more apparent targets and he hid in the background. Helen, Amanda, Aaryn, Elissa were all bigger threats, did he have a shitty cast? Yeah, but he's still a very good player imo.
I don't care about whether he did or didn't need to control things early on. I'm only talking about him on a personal level. He wasn't fun to watch so I was disappointed he won. I didn't even know he was in th game until like the final 5 pretty much. I think he is one of the weakest winners as well.
Not sure how you didn't notice him--he played a great game from the very beginning
He wasn't a central character until mid to end of the season and I personally don't consider someone taking information given to them and running to their master and telling them everything a good game. If the other side of the house (Helen) wasn't idiotic, he would have been gone.
How is that not good when it worked out best for him and people would still trust/be cool with him? That's actually ironic you label Amanda as his master, because that just shows you still don't graps his game. Andy is fine with letting Amanda or whoever think they're the master, because it helps him at the end of the day. Talking about housegeust being dumb is a moot point since a lot of the modern casts are dumber, though Elissa definitely caught on to Andy.
Andy played a shitty game, didn't get caught because he was playing with idiots and got lucky in the end. BB15 is known to have one of the worst final 3's in the history of the game as well as one of the most disappointing winners.
Nah, he played one of the better games and an elite floater game. So many casts have idiots, like the last 5 or so do so that point is irrelevant and doesn't detract from his skills. It's one of the worst because of the HG's personalities, same for the winner. I don't like Maggie at all, but she played a great game and so did Andy. People let their bias blind them so much.
That's the perfect way to describe it. I don't respect a floater game. No bias here. Not saying he didn't do anything to deserve it, I can't say he didn't play, but definitely a shitty winner IMO.
True floating, see Jun, is elite game play because it is almost impossible to pull off. It is absolutely bias if you don't respect it. One of the better winners--not a shitty winner. To criticize him because you don't understand a style of play is pure stupidity
Andy's game was picture perfect--much like Jun...some people just don't respect great game play if they aren't overly entertaining
He didn't have much gameplay until the end. Nothing to respect there.
He did, it's just so much more subtle and utr. He spent the early game laying low and getting along with people and making friends. After week 2, he was in the firm majroity for the entire game and was always given info and decided what to do/who to trust/etc.
Andy didn't need to control things early on though and he had so much power and always knew how to use it and when to make moves. His game isn't flashy, but doesn't need to be. He had a good hand in everything that happened after week 2, but just made sure others were more apparent targets and he hid in the background. Helen, Amanda, Aaryn, Elissa were all bigger threats, did he have a shitty cast? Yeah, but he's still a very good player imo.
I don't care about whether he did or didn't need to control things early on. I'm only talking about him on a personal level. He wasn't fun to watch so I was disappointed he won. I didn't even know he was in th game until like the final 5 pretty much. I think he is one of the weakest winners as well.
Not sure how you didn't notice him--he played a great game from the very beginning
He wasn't a central character until mid to end of the season and I personally don't consider someone taking information given to them and running to their master and telling them everything a good game. If the other side of the house (Helen) wasn't idiotic, he would have been gone.
How is that not good when it worked out best for him and people would still trust/be cool with him? That's actually ironic you label Amanda as his master, because that just shows you still don't graps his game. Andy is fine with letting Amanda or whoever think they're the master, because it helps him at the end of the day. Talking about housegeust being dumb is a moot point since a lot of the modern casts are dumber, though Elissa definitely caught on to Andy.
Andy played a shitty game, didn't get caught because he was playing with idiots and got lucky in the end. BB15 is known to have one of the worst final 3's in the history of the game as well as one of the most disappointing winners.
Nah, he played one of the better games and an elite floater game. So many casts have idiots, like the last 5 or so do so that point is irrelevant and doesn't detract from his skills. It's one of the worst because of the HG's personalities, same for the winner. I don't like Maggie at all, but she played a great game and so did Andy. People let their bias blind them so much.
That's the perfect way to describe it. I don't respect a floater game. No bias here. Not saying he didn't do anything to deserve it, I can't say he didn't play, but definitely a shitty winner IMO.
Yeah, he's not anywhere close to a shitty winner. Floating takes serious skill and not many are actually able to, I guess it's easier to respect a game that's all flashy and in your face, but Andy is a great winner.
imo this season is WAYY better than last season so far. My only problem is that I'm getting confusing with names, since half the guys names starts the same. I end up calling them out of name, and even called Jeff, Jace a couple of times.
How bout the past 2 episodes that nobody seems to be talking about? I'm glad Vanessa found a reason to actually put up both Jeff and James. However what I dont understand is why Shelli/Austin/Vanessa wouldnt choose to go against John and James in the veto comp because if you beat them, then you dont have to rely on Audrey beating them. Instead they lost to each other, which only made their odds worse of one of them actually winning it and keeping noms the same (which was the original plan). If John and James were taken out early, then the rest couldve faced off against one another and whoever won/lost didnt matter, cause they were all throwing it to Audrey regardless.
How bout the past 2 episodes that nobody seems to be talking about? I'm glad Vanessa found a reason to actually put up both Jeff and James. However what I dont understand is why Shelli/Austin/Vanessa wouldnt choose to go against John and James in the veto comp because if you beat them, then you dont have to rely on Audrey beating them. Instead they lost to each other, which only made their odds worse of one of them actually winning it and keeping noms the same (which was the original plan). If John and James were taken out early, then the rest couldve faced off against one another and whoever won/lost didnt matter, cause they were all throwing it to Audrey regardless.
Because if they didn't go up against Audrey they would make it painfully obvious they are working with her, since they aren't taking every opportunity to make her lose the Veto comp.
After 3 weeks I'm officially giving up on BB17 it's basically a repeat of seasons 11,13, & 15. Those seasons were essentialy run by cowards who felt like they needed to make a big move every week to get strong player out early in the competition and guess what that leads to it leads to a bad final 2 like Jordan vs Natalie, Rachel vs Porcha, and Andy vs GinaMarie. So I'm going to make a bold prediction based on past history and the way this season is going the final 2 will be Venessa vs Audrey. Also, 1 more prediction if Audrey does in fact make it far guaranteed Caitlin Jenner will make an appearance as a BB Takeover guest.
But BB11 is a great season? If players are really strong, they'd be able to make it past this (except for Jessie who was screwed by production). Also every prejury boot in BB15, was not a strong player by any means...
But BB11 is a great season? If players are really strong, they'd be able to make it past this (except for Jessie who was screwed by production). Also every prejury boot in BB15, was not a strong player by any means...
With a terrible final 2 and not so great winner.
David sucked and so did Howard (even though he was strong physically). But Nick, Jeremy and Kaitlin were pretty strong first boots if you ask me.
Andy didn't need to control things early on though and he had so much power and always knew how to use it and when to make moves. His game isn't flashy, but doesn't need to be. He had a good hand in everything that happened after week 2, but just made sure others were more apparent targets and he hid in the background. Helen, Amanda, Aaryn, Elissa were all bigger threats, did he have a shitty cast? Yeah, but he's still a very good player imo.
I don't care about whether he did or didn't need to control things early on. I'm only talking about him on a personal level. He wasn't fun to watch so I was disappointed he won. I didn't even know he was in th game until like the final 5 pretty much. I think he is one of the weakest winners as well.
Not sure how you didn't notice him--he played a great game from the very beginning
He wasn't a central character until mid to end of the season and I personally don't consider someone taking information given to them and running to their master and telling them everything a good game. If the other side of the house (Helen) wasn't idiotic, he would have been gone.
How is that not good when it worked out best for him and people would still trust/be cool with him? That's actually ironic you label Amanda as his master, because that just shows you still don't graps his game. Andy is fine with letting Amanda or whoever think they're the master, because it helps him at the end of the day. Talking about housegeust being dumb is a moot point since a lot of the modern casts are dumber, though Elissa definitely caught on to Andy.
Andy played a shitty game, didn't get caught because he was playing with idiots and got lucky in the end. BB15 is known to have one of the worst final 3's in the history of the game as well as one of the most disappointing winners.
Nah, he played one of the better games and an elite floater game. So many casts have idiots, like the last 5 or so do so that point is irrelevant and doesn't detract from his skills. It's one of the worst because of the HG's personalities, same for the winner. I don't like Maggie at all, but she played a great game and so did Andy. People let their bias blind them so much.
That's the perfect way to describe it. I don't respect a floater game. No bias here. Not saying he didn't do anything to deserve it, I can't say he didn't play, but definitely a shitty winner IMO.
True floating, see Jun, is elite game play because it is almost impossible to pull off. It is absolutely bias if you don't respect it. One of the better winners--not a shitty winner. To criticize him because you don't understand a style of play is pure stupidity
LOL but it's my opinion not yours. And it's also the opinion of 90% of the Big Brother fanbase. Andy is literally known for "Playing an extremely quiet game in the beginning, Andy waited until the 3 A.M. alliance to pick up his gameplay."
Did you intentionally quote her F2 speech word for word? This is legit the EXACT thing she said for every question, plus her speech... Really has a way with words.....
Not sure how you didn't notice him--he played a great game from the very beginning
Yeah but ifyou have to win comps to make the final 2 or even survive one week, is tour gameplay really that good? Also Rachel had such a rigged win (see the Pandora box twist and how the veto was catered to her as well as the next hoh). It's pretty common knowledge how rigged it was for her and the veterans in general. Hayden is one of the better winners for sure.
No haha it's just all true. Like I said I hate her but she deserved the win over Porsche, Adam and Jordan even though I wouldn't have minded Porsche winning.
He wasn't a central character until mid to end of the season and I personally don't consider someone taking information given to them and running to their master and telling them everything a good game. If the other side of the house (Helen) wasn't idiotic, he would have been gone.
Yes, because by winning competitions you are utalizing a huge part of the game to guarantee your spot in the finals. Winning competitions isn't everything but it's HUGE. If you win HOH you are basically deciding who goes home that week winning POV guarantees you saving yourself or an ally who may be on the block. There are many people who are sent home for not winning competitions. If Da'Vonne won the pov this week she would have stayed and there could have been a flip in the game which caused her to make it to the end and even win, but because she didn't she was sent home second. So yes your gameplay can still be good even if you have to win competitions. That's like saying Victoria and Godfrey (BBCAN3) were great players. As for Pandora's box very true. I forgot about that until now. I was SO ****** about that. Them going back to duos for that week was such bullshit. But out of the final 4 I still think she deserves the win. I wouldn't have minded Porsche beating her though (I was actually rooting for her) but as much as I hate her, I dont think Rachel is an unworthy winner (besides having the help on her side).
Obviously it can help and improve your game, but having to win a comp or needing to survive shows a flaw in one's game. Andy never NEEDED to win a competition and various others didn't either to stick around. Also, HOH doesn't decide who goes home, lol that's the house majority, as an example Janelle thought Marcellas was staying when she was HOH, but that quickly changed. It certainly has an importance, but having to rely on it as opposed to not needing it because you are that good socially is what I tend to respect/see as a better player. I never implied one's game is bad if they have to do this, just much weaker than those who don't.
I wouldn't label anyone unworthy, but she's the closest to it for production helping her out so much to ensure a veteran would win.
How is that not good when it worked out best for him and people would still trust/be cool with him? That's actually ironic you label Amanda as his master, because that just shows you still don't graps his game. Andy is fine with letting Amanda or whoever think they're the master, because it helps him at the end of the day. Talking about housegeust being dumb is a moot point since a lot of the modern casts are dumber, though Elissa definitely caught on to Andy.
I know that, but if you win HOH you are safe and you put two players fate in your hands.
Andy played a shitty game, didn't get caught because he was playing with idiots and got lucky in the end. BB15 is known to have one of the worst final 3's in the history of the game as well as one of the most disappointing winners.
Andy's game was picture perfect--much like Jun...some people just don't respect great game play if they aren't overly entertaining
Nah, he played one of the better games and an elite floater game. So many casts have idiots, like the last 5 or so do so that point is irrelevant and doesn't detract from his skills. It's one of the worst because of the HG's personalities, same for the winner. I don't like Maggie at all, but she played a great game and so did Andy. People let their bias blind them so much.
Yeah, it's easy to see why a Dan/Derrick/Will played great, but just ebcause you aren't being overly flashy doesn't mean you aren't a good/great player. Next thing we'll hear Russell Hantz is a good player
He didn't have much gameplay until the end. Nothing to respect there.
That's the perfect way to describe it. I don't respect a floater game. No bias here. Not saying he didn't do anything to deserve it, I can't say he didn't play, but definitely a shitty winner IMO.
Not true at all
True floating, see Jun, is elite game play because it is almost impossible to pull off. It is absolutely bias if you don't respect it. One of the better winners--not a shitty winner. To criticize him because you don't understand a style of play is pure stupidity
He did, it's just so much more subtle and utr. He spent the early game laying low and getting along with people and making friends. After week 2, he was in the firm majroity for the entire game and was always given info and decided what to do/who to trust/etc.
Yeah, he's not anywhere close to a shitty winner. Floating takes serious skill and not many are actually able to, I guess it's easier to respect a game that's all flashy and in your face, but Andy is a great winner.
imo this season is WAYY better than last season so far. My only problem is that I'm getting confusing with names, since half the guys names starts the same. I end up calling them out of name, and even called Jeff, Jace a couple of times.
Haven't logged in for a while, but wanted to chime in here and say, **** Andy and his "game"
ANYWAY
How bout the past 2 episodes that nobody seems to be talking about? I'm glad Vanessa found a reason to actually put up both Jeff and James. However what I dont understand is why Shelli/Austin/Vanessa wouldnt choose to go against John and James in the veto comp because if you beat them, then you dont have to rely on Audrey beating them. Instead they lost to each other, which only made their odds worse of one of them actually winning it and keeping noms the same (which was the original plan). If John and James were taken out early, then the rest couldve faced off against one another and whoever won/lost didnt matter, cause they were all throwing it to Audrey regardless.
Because if they didn't go up against Audrey they would make it painfully obvious they are working with her, since they aren't taking every opportunity to make her lose the Veto comp.
After 3 weeks I'm officially giving up on BB17 it's basically a repeat of seasons 11,13, & 15. Those seasons were essentialy run by cowards who felt like they needed to make a big move every week to get strong player out early in the competition and guess what that leads to it leads to a bad final 2 like Jordan vs Natalie, Rachel vs Porcha, and Andy vs GinaMarie. So I'm going to make a bold prediction based on past history and the way this season is going the final 2 will be Venessa vs Audrey. Also, 1 more prediction if Audrey does in fact make it far guaranteed Caitlin Jenner will make an appearance as a BB Takeover guest.
Audrey will make Jury but not final 2 or 3 at that. I'm predicting a Vanessa/Steve/Becky final 3
But BB11 is a great season? If players are really strong, they'd be able to make it past this (except for Jessie who was screwed by production). Also every prejury boot in BB15, was not a strong player by any means...
****, can I get season where the same people are not in power every **** week? Please?!?!
Liz being HOH means her and Julia only need to survive one more week til they can play the game together!
With a terrible final 2 and not so great winner.
David sucked and so did Howard (even though he was strong physically). But Nick, Jeremy and Kaitlin were pretty strong first boots if you ask me.
LOL but it's my opinion not yours. And it's also the opinion of 90% of the Big Brother fanbase. Andy is literally known for "Playing an extremely quiet game in the beginning, Andy waited until the 3 A.M. alliance to pick up his gameplay."
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