Both Frank and JEK are horrible people, the difference is Frank says things to hurt you and break you down. JEK says things to be funny and then don't realize it's offensive.
This is 100% what it is. And if people disagree that's fine, but I believe it's much worse to, with a desire to be funny or entertaining, cross a line (especially when in many situations when they've known there was a line they haven't crossed it), than to see the line, say **** it, and jump it by a mile.
And saying somone is worse doesn't mean the first thing isn't also bad. I vocally root for JEK, and I think that some situations that they've been involved in are pretty heavily blown out of proportion on this site, but they're frequently ******** and ignorance isn't an excuse. Adults in their late 20s who weren't raised in a bubble should know when enough is enough and that are certain people (Katie, Tonya, etc) who don't know or like them well enough to deal with it at all. You have to know who you're talking to and the line for someone like Paula, who loves them and has known them for years is different than Katie. But again, calling someone a loser or a ***** is a generic insult that any ******* can come up with and throw at someone. It's very different than targetting someone with information that you know will get to them. And Nany even said that she'd never told him that...so he had to have heard it from somewhere and put it in his pocket to stab at her with if he needed it. That's sociopathic.
I can't even read this thread because people are always bashing JEK. Clearly they aren't that bad if basically everyone is friends with them outside the show. ****, even Katie said she likes/gets along with them outside the show. People just take what they say way too seriously. They aren't malicious....
I loved JEK as competitors but hated the the rest of the casts, because in my opinion, they are the ones that ruined the game, not JEK, this dumb casts keep on being "sheeps to JEK and big alliance" and don´t realize that somewhere along the line they are next on the choping block or they will be screwed because not everybody can go to the finals.
The Best actual example that even without JEK the Alliances ruin everything is Battle of the Seasons 2 , it had so much potencial but it had too many rookies and they made from the get go a huge alliance of 4 or 5 teams and it was basically those 5 teams ganging on Austin,Brooklyn and Fresh Meat.
Also things would be way different if they had casted different people to Fresh Meat , had put RW:Sydney or RW:Denver or even by a long shot had put the "superteam" KeyWest in... i hated the fact that the rookies from BOTS2 got full of themselves and brought their arrogance to the challenges...
I also hated and still hate almost everyone from the RW:San Diego 2 to appear on the challenges...
Clearly either jek or frank are as bad bc people are friends with them. Jonna&Jessica have said that Frank has a great heart, did not even Jemmye even said that? If he was really that awful there is no way people would be friends with him. Everybody loves him outside of the show. Same with JEK. Everybody likes them.
I blame game, edits and pressure. I am sure lot of you guys wont be so calm and cool. Some people are mean,some people cry, some people become *****, some people quit, some people hit. I think it is way more important and real what happens outside of the show . If people were really that cruel, why would others spend their free time with them?
A lot of people probably do like him outside of the show but sometimes a person's true personality can be more aptly measured when in situations with high stress or when they are at their worst, which is what the challenge is. It's pretty easy to be good to people when you are at your highest, or don't have anything at stake, IMO. Certainly his being a great person outide of the challenge certainly can't be ignored. However, you also certainly can't ignore the fact that he's been downright ugly on the challenges in tense situations. Tense situations can be very enlightening of someone's character because of the lack of control that one would usually able to exhibit. I know a lot of people who are just a delight to be around when they are at their best or in good moods but once tables start turning on them or they have to start making sacrifices then attitudes can shift very dramatically and quickly.
Clearly either jek or frank are as bad bc people are friends with them. Jonna&Jessica have said that Frank has a great heart, did not even Jemmye even said that? If he was really that awful there is no way people would be friends with him. Everybody loves him outside of the show. Same with JEK. Everybody likes them. I blame game, edits and pressure. I am sure lot of you guys wont be so calm and cool. Some people are mean,some people cry, some people become *****, some people quit, some people hit. I think it is way more important and real what happens outside of the show . If people were really that cruel, why would others spend their free time with them?
I don't know why people keep talking about people being friends with them outside the game. I'm not talking about them outside of the game I'm talking about them Inside the game and Inside the game they've been horrible.People forgiving them and befriending them outside of the game is irrelevant. Doesn't diminish what they did outside of the game.
I don't know why people keep talking about people being friends with them outside the game. I'm not talking about them outside of the game I'm talking about them Inside the game and Inside the game they've been horrible.People forgiving them and befriending them outside of the game is irrelevant. Doesn't diminish what they did outside of the game.
I think people are saying this because whatever JEK has said to people (***** etc.) wasn't that big of a deal since weeks later whoever they said it to was friends with them. It obviously wasn't that offensive that they still to this day hate them. With Frank, Nany still doesn't like him and it took a while for people like Jemmye and Dustin to get over the things Frank said about them. Frank was way more malicious.
I don't know why people keep talking about people being friends with them outside the game. I'm not talking about them outside of the game I'm talking about them Inside the game and Inside the game they've been horrible.People forgiving them and befriending them outside of the game is irrelevant. Doesn't diminish what they did outside of the game.
I think people are saying this because whatever JEK has said to people (***** etc.) wasn't that big of a deal since weeks later whoever they said it to was friends with them. It obviously wasn't that offensive that they still to this day hate them. With Frank, Nany still doesn't like him and it took a while for people like Jemmye and Dustin to get over the things Frank said about them. Frank was way more malicious.
Well Nany said some ****** up things to him first so she really has no place to be upset with him. Don't dish it if you can't take it.
And I don't even think what he said to Jemmye and Dustin weren't all that offensive or malicious so those two could be just sensitive.
I don't know why people keep talking about people being friends with them outside the game. I'm not talking about them outside of the game I'm talking about them Inside the game and Inside the game they've been horrible.People forgiving them and befriending them outside of the game is irrelevant. Doesn't diminish what they did outside of the game.
I think people are saying this because whatever JEK has said to people (***** etc.) wasn't that big of a deal since weeks later whoever they said it to was friends with them. It obviously wasn't that offensive that they still to this day hate them. With Frank, Nany still doesn't like him and it took a while for people like Jemmye and Dustin to get over the things Frank said about them. Frank was way more malicious.
Well Nany said some ****** up things to him first so she really has no place to be upset with him. Don't dish it if you can't take it.
And I don't even think what he said to Jemmye and Dustin weren't all that offensive or malicious so those two could be just sensitive.
Haha so you're saying that Jemmye is over sensitive for having trouble getting over being told she looks like she woke up face down in meth but Katie and etc. are right to be sooooooo offended by being called unathletic or losers or whatever. Makes total sense.
For the record, I don't think Nany and Frank are on bad terms, because of those comments, but a culmination of events. Maybe PR could shed some more light here.
I don't know why people keep talking about people being friends with them outside the game. I'm not talking about them outside of the game I'm talking about them Inside the game and Inside the game they've been horrible.People forgiving them and befriending them outside of the game is irrelevant. Doesn't diminish what they did outside of the game.
I think people are saying this because whatever JEK has said to people (***** etc.) wasn't that big of a deal since weeks later whoever they said it to was friends with them. It obviously wasn't that offensive that they still to this day hate them. With Frank, Nany still doesn't like him and it took a while for people like Jemmye and Dustin to get over the things Frank said about them. Frank was way more malicious.
Well Nany said some ****** up things to him first so she really has no place to be upset with him. Don't dish it if you can't take it.
And I don't even think what he said to Jemmye and Dustin weren't all that offensive or malicious so those two could be just sensitive.
Haha so you're saying that Jemmye is over sensitive for having trouble getting over being told she looks like she woke up face down in meth but Katie and etc. are right to be sooooooo offended by being called unathletic or losers or whatever. Makes total sense.
Oh he said that? ****. I thought he just called her ugly.
But to be fair though Jemmye is unfortunate looking.
Frank said some horrible things about Jemmye. On national television and over twitter... Jemmye is a pretty chill person and doesn't care what people think but that even got to her. Frank has done some malicious things, he also told Knight to OD on twitter or something. That is why Knight hit in him at the reunion because Frank tweeted him some terrible things as well. Nany even said that she will never like Frank and it isn't just what he did to her, it is what he had done to other people.
I actually like Frank now but back then I had no respect for what he said or did. JEK basically just said the girls sucked and were losers. Frank brought up personal shit.
Frank said some horrible things about Jemmye. On national television and over twitter... Jemmye is a pretty chill person and doesn't care what people think but that even got to her. Frank has done some malicious things, he also told Knight to OD on twitter or something. That is why Knight hit in him at the reunion because Frank tweeted him some terrible things as well.
I actually like Frank now but back then I had no respect for what he said or did. JEK basically just said the girls sucked and were losers. Frank brought up personal shit.
Well I mean..It's Knight. He's an ******* and he's probably said some ****** up shit himself too so I don't see the problem there. He probably deserved it.
I loved JEK as competitors but hated the the rest of the casts, because in my opinion, they are the ones that ruined the game, not JEK, this dumb casts keep on being "sheeps to JEK and big alliance" and don´t realize that somewhere along the line they are next on the choping block or they will be screwed because not everybody can go to the finals.
The Best actual example that even without JEK the Alliances ruin everything is Battle of the Seasons 2 , it had so much potencial but it had too many rookies and they made from the get go a huge alliance of 4 or 5 teams and it was basically those 5 teams ganging on Austin,Brooklyn and Fresh Meat.
Also things would be way different if they had casted different people to Fresh Meat , had put RW:Sydney or RW:Denver or even by a long shot had put the "superteam" KeyWest in... i hated the fact that the rookies from BOTS2 got full of themselves and brought their arrogance to the challenges...
I also hated and still hate almost everyone from the RW:San Diego 2 to appear on the challenges...
I really do not care if they're liked off the show, it's the fact that they're ****** people on TV and have proved it time and time again. Y'all can get mad about JEK and the Frank bashing, because if you haven't noticed yet, they've proven themselves to be *******.
What ****** me off about Frank the most is the shit he said on BOTSeasons towards Dustin, that shit was uncalled for. He goes for the low blows, AND HAS ADMITTED to taking low blows on people when he's upset. San Diego2 has ****** people in general though, so it's whatever.
JEK has sheep; please, get over it now. Put these three on a season together and you know they're going to run the show; make it to the finale, and either bomb the entire finale or actually win the entire thing. All in all, they're predictable as ****.
Frank said some horrible things about Jemmye. On national television and over twitter... Jemmye is a pretty chill person and doesn't care what people think but that even got to her. Frank has done some malicious things, he also told Knight to OD on twitter or something. That is why Knight hit in him at the reunion because Frank tweeted him some terrible things as well.
I actually like Frank now but back then I had no respect for what he said or did. JEK basically just said the girls sucked and were losers. Frank brought up personal shit.
Well I mean..It's Knight. He's an ******* and he's probably said some ****** up shit himself too so I don't see the problem there. He probably deserved it.
Knight is an ***, but he's never deliberately malicious. He's usually just trying get a laugh out of everyone.
I don't know why people keep talking about people being friends with them outside the game. I'm not talking about them outside of the game I'm talking about them Inside the game and Inside the game they've been horrible.People forgiving them and befriending them outside of the game is irrelevant. Doesn't diminish what they did outside of the game.
I think people are saying this because whatever JEK has said to people (***** etc.) wasn't that big of a deal since weeks later whoever they said it to was friends with them. It obviously wasn't that offensive that they still to this day hate them. With Frank, Nany still doesn't like him and it took a while for people like Jemmye and Dustin to get over the things Frank said about them. Frank was way more malicious.
Well Nany said some ****** up things to him first so she really has no place to be upset with him. Don't dish it if you can't take it.
And I don't even think what he said to Jemmye and Dustin weren't all that offensive or malicious so those two could be just sensitive.
Haha so you're saying that Jemmye is over sensitive for having trouble getting over being told she looks like she woke up face down in meth but Katie and etc. are right to be sooooooo offended by being called unathletic or losers or whatever. Makes total sense.
Oh he said that? ****. I thought he just called her ugly.
But to be fair though Jemmye is unfortunate looking.
I think Wes would have won the fight between him and Darrell if they got into it. Wes was a psycho.
Lol you're kidding right? Darrell is a boxer he won golden gloves for northern California
but Wes was huge. if he grabbed Darrell and took him down what do you think Darrell would do?
Being big doesn't mean you can fight, look at Ronnie from Jersey shore, he was huge but couldn't fight at all.
I'm a huge Wes fan but he'd get his *** kicked by Darrell.
I think Wes would have won the fight between him and Darrell if they got into it. Wes was a psycho.
Lol you're kidding right? Darrell is a boxer he won golden gloves for northern California
but Wes was huge. if he grabbed Darrell and took him down what do you think Darrell would do?
Being big doesn't mean you can fight, look at Ronnie from Jersey shore, he was huge but couldn't fight at all. I'm a huge Wes fan but he'd get his *** kicked by Darrell.
I think Wes would have won the fight between him and Darrell if they got into it. Wes was a psycho.
Lol you're kidding right? Darrell is a boxer he won golden gloves for northern California
but Wes was huge. if he grabbed Darrell and took him down what do you think Darrell would do?
Being big doesn't mean you can fight, look at Ronnie from Jersey shore, he was huge but couldn't fight at all. I'm a huge Wes fan but he'd get his *** kicked by Darrell.
lol Ronnie is only 5'6".
Okay? I don't see why height matters in this conversation considering he is very muscular.
You're missing my point, just because someone's muscular doesn't mean they'd beat a also muscular golden glove boxer....
Wes is only 5'8/5'9 and Ronnie likely has more muscle mass than he does. All of that is pretty irrelevant. Darrell is a trained boxer and even if the muscular distance was HUGE (which it wasn't), I'd take Darrell all day. Wes doesn't look like a guy who could fight his way out of a paper bag. He had more muscle than Kenny did on Fresh Meat 2 and Kenny threw him around in their wrestling match pretty easily.
I think Wes would have won the fight between him and Darrell if they got into it. Wes was a psycho.
Lol you're kidding right? Darrell is a boxer he won golden gloves for northern California
but Wes was huge. if he grabbed Darrell and took him down what do you think Darrell would do?
Being big doesn't mean you can fight, look at Ronnie from Jersey shore, he was huge but couldn't fight at all. I'm a huge Wes fan but he'd get his *** kicked by Darrell.[/quote
Hey give Ronnie some credit, his fight against Situation wasn't impressive, but he was 2-0 in Seaside Heights. Won both of them convincingly.
This is 100% what it is. And if people disagree that's fine, but I believe it's much worse to, with a desire to be funny or entertaining, cross a line (especially when in many situations when they've known there was a line they haven't crossed it), than to see the line, say **** it, and jump it by a mile.
And saying somone is worse doesn't mean the first thing isn't also bad. I vocally root for JEK, and I think that some situations that they've been involved in are pretty heavily blown out of proportion on this site, but they're frequently ******** and ignorance isn't an excuse. Adults in their late 20s who weren't raised in a bubble should know when enough is enough and that are certain people (Katie, Tonya, etc) who don't know or like them well enough to deal with it at all. You have to know who you're talking to and the line for someone like Paula, who loves them and has known them for years is different than Katie. But again, calling someone a loser or a ***** is a generic insult that any ******* can come up with and throw at someone. It's very different than targetting someone with information that you know will get to them. And Nany even said that she'd never told him that...so he had to have heard it from somewhere and put it in his pocket to stab at her with if he needed it. That's sociopathic.
I can't even read this thread because people are always bashing JEK. Clearly they aren't that bad if basically everyone is friends with them outside the show. ****, even Katie said she likes/gets along with them outside the show. People just take what they say way too seriously. They aren't malicious....
I loved JEK as competitors but hated the the rest of the casts, because in my opinion, they are the ones that ruined the game, not JEK, this dumb casts keep on being "sheeps to JEK and big alliance" and don´t realize that somewhere along the line they are next on the choping block or they will be screwed because not everybody can go to the finals.
The Best actual example that even without JEK the Alliances ruin everything is Battle of the Seasons 2 , it had so much potencial but it had too many rookies and they made from the get go a huge alliance of 4 or 5 teams and it was basically those 5 teams ganging on Austin,Brooklyn and Fresh Meat.
Also things would be way different if they had casted different people to Fresh Meat , had put RW:Sydney or RW:Denver or even by a long shot had put the "superteam" KeyWest in... i hated the fact that the rookies from BOTS2 got full of themselves and brought their arrogance to the challenges...
I also hated and still hate almost everyone from the RW:San Diego 2 to appear on the challenges...
I call bs. That's like saying my grandma could take down a bear with a knife. I think Wes was just acting psycho to look intimidating.
Clearly either jek or frank are as bad bc people are friends with them. Jonna&Jessica have said that Frank has a great heart, did not even Jemmye even said that? If he was really that awful there is no way people would be friends with him. Everybody loves him outside of the show. Same with JEK. Everybody likes them.
I blame game, edits and pressure. I am sure lot of you guys wont be so calm and cool. Some people are mean,some people cry, some people become *****, some people quit, some people hit. I think it is way more important and real what happens outside of the show . If people were really that cruel, why would others spend their free time with them?
A lot of people probably do like him outside of the show but sometimes a person's true personality can be more aptly measured when in situations with high stress or when they are at their worst, which is what the challenge is. It's pretty easy to be good to people when you are at your highest, or don't have anything at stake, IMO. Certainly his being a great person outide of the challenge certainly can't be ignored. However, you also certainly can't ignore the fact that he's been downright ugly on the challenges in tense situations. Tense situations can be very enlightening of someone's character because of the lack of control that one would usually able to exhibit. I know a lot of people who are just a delight to be around when they are at their best or in good moods but once tables start turning on them or they have to start making sacrifices then attitudes can shift very dramatically and quickly.
Trust me i like Darrell better than wes but Wes was packed with muscle.
AMEN!
I don't know why people keep talking about people being friends with them outside the game. I'm not talking about them outside of the game I'm talking about them Inside the game and Inside the game they've been horrible.People forgiving them and befriending them outside of the game is irrelevant. Doesn't diminish what they did outside of the game.
I think people are saying this because whatever JEK has said to people (***** etc.) wasn't that big of a deal since weeks later whoever they said it to was friends with them. It obviously wasn't that offensive that they still to this day hate them. With Frank, Nany still doesn't like him and it took a while for people like Jemmye and Dustin to get over the things Frank said about them. Frank was way more malicious.
Well Nany said some ****** up things to him first so she really has no place to be upset with him. Don't dish it if you can't take it.
And I don't even think what he said to Jemmye and Dustin weren't all that offensive or malicious so those two could be just sensitive.
Haha so you're saying that Jemmye is over sensitive for having trouble getting over being told she looks like she woke up face down in meth but Katie and etc. are right to be sooooooo offended by being called unathletic or losers or whatever. Makes total sense.
For the record, I don't think Nany and Frank are on bad terms, because of those comments, but a culmination of events. Maybe PR could shed some more light here.
Oh he said that? ****. I thought he just called her ugly.
But to be fair though Jemmye is unfortunate looking.
But I bet if JEK had called her that it would be the end of the world.
I think Tonya deserved all the **** she got from Veronica/Tina/Rachel on the Inferno 2.
Frank said some horrible things about Jemmye. On national television and over twitter... Jemmye is a pretty chill person and doesn't care what people think but that even got to her. Frank has done some malicious things, he also told Knight to OD on twitter or something. That is why Knight hit in him at the reunion because Frank tweeted him some terrible things as well. Nany even said that she will never like Frank and it isn't just what he did to her, it is what he had done to other people.
I actually like Frank now but back then I had no respect for what he said or did. JEK basically just said the girls sucked and were losers. Frank brought up personal shit.
Well I mean..It's Knight. He's an ******* and he's probably said some ****** up shit himself too so I don't see the problem there. He probably deserved it.
I really do not care if they're liked off the show, it's the fact that they're ****** people on TV and have proved it time and time again. Y'all can get mad about JEK and the Frank bashing, because if you haven't noticed yet, they've proven themselves to be *******.
What ****** me off about Frank the most is the shit he said on BOTSeasons towards Dustin, that shit was uncalled for. He goes for the low blows, AND HAS ADMITTED to taking low blows on people when he's upset. San Diego2 has ****** people in general though, so it's whatever.
JEK has sheep; please, get over it now. Put these three on a season together and you know they're going to run the show; make it to the finale, and either bomb the entire finale or actually win the entire thing. All in all, they're predictable as ****.
Knight is an ***, but he's never deliberately malicious. He's usually just trying get a laugh out of everyone.
***** omg DA! So mean but you kill me!
Lol you're kidding right? Darrell is a boxer he won golden gloves for northern California
but Wes was huge. if he grabbed Darrell and took him down what do you think Darrell would do?
and im not a darrell hater. Darrell is one of my favorite cast members.
Being big doesn't mean you can fight, look at Ronnie from Jersey shore, he was huge but couldn't fight at all.
I'm a huge Wes fan but he'd get his *** kicked by Darrell.
lol Ronnie is only 5'6".
Okay? I don't see why height matters in this conversation considering he is very muscular.
You're missing my point, just because someone's muscular doesn't mean they'd beat a also muscular golden glove boxer....
Wes is only 5'8/5'9 and Ronnie likely has more muscle mass than he does. All of that is pretty irrelevant. Darrell is a trained boxer and even if the muscular distance was HUGE (which it wasn't), I'd take Darrell all day. Wes doesn't look like a guy who could fight his way out of a paper bag. He had more muscle than Kenny did on Fresh Meat 2 and Kenny threw him around in their wrestling match pretty easily.
Yeah, I ******* adore Wes, dude. However, against Darrell in a full on brawl? Wes would get his *** whooped.
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