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Bananas didn't "win all the time" either.  He's lost as many times as he won...he if doesn't win this upcoming season he'll be under 50%

Veronica would have more wins had she not quit.  He has a better winning percentage than Evan or Kenny and has as many wins as Kenny and more than Evan.

Just because you found Veronica and Coral to be more entertaining then JEK (I agree) doesn't mean they weren't entertaining.  You just don't like how well they played the game.  That's on you--not them

Darrell won his first 4--are you complaining about him?  He'd have won his first 5 if he didn't punch Brad.  And don't pretend Darrell had to fight his way to those wins.  He rarely saw eliminations.  Landon won 3 of 4...should have been 4 of 4 if not for Brad's move in the elimination round.

Evan only won a third of the time...same as Derrick.  Evelyn has a better winning percentange than either Evan or Kenny.

You have no argument here...you just don't like them as non-castmembers that understood the political side of the game.

Thank you. They had a great political game and Debut can never admit that..They ran the game every challenge even when it was just one of them on the challenge.

Bananas didn't "win all the time" either.  He's lost as many times as he won...he if doesn't win this upcoming season he'll be under 50%

Veronica would have more wins had she not quit.  He has a better winning percentage than Evan or Kenny and has as many wins as Kenny and more than Evan.

Just because you found Veronica and Coral to be more entertaining then JEK (I agree) doesn't mean they weren't entertaining.  You just don't like how well they played the game.  That's on you--not them

Darrell won his first 4--are you complaining about him?  He'd have won his first 5 if he didn't punch Brad.  And don't pretend Darrell had to fight his way to those wins.  He rarely saw eliminations.  Landon won 3 of 4...should have been 4 of 4 if not for Brad's move in the elimination round.

Evan only won a third of the time...same as Derrick.  Evelyn has a better winning percentange than either Evan or Kenny.

You have no argument here...you just don't like them as non-castmembers that understood the political side of the game.

Thank you. They had a great political game and Debut can never admit that..They ran the game every challenge even when it was just one of them on the challenge.

I'm not going to admit to something that isn't true.

Bananas didn't "win all the time" either.  He's lost as many times as he won...he if doesn't win this upcoming season he'll be under 50%

Veronica would have more wins had she not quit.  He has a better winning percentage than Evan or Kenny and has as many wins as Kenny and more than Evan.

Just because you found Veronica and Coral to be more entertaining then JEK (I agree) doesn't mean they weren't entertaining.  You just don't like how well they played the game.  That's on you--not them

Darrell won his first 4--are you complaining about him?  He'd have won his first 5 if he didn't punch Brad.  And don't pretend Darrell had to fight his way to those wins.  He rarely saw eliminations.  Landon won 3 of 4...should have been 4 of 4 if not for Brad's move in the elimination round.

Evan only won a third of the time...same as Derrick.  Evelyn has a better winning percentange than either Evan or Kenny.

You have no argument here...you just don't like them as non-castmembers that understood the political side of the game.

Thank you. They had a great political game and Debut can never admit that..They ran the game every challenge even when it was just one of them on the challenge.

I didn't know intimidation was considered political.

intimidation is part of political, just like a dictactorship is based on imputing fear and intimitation to take away your freedom is a political move.

 

Seriously either u like it or not JEK had the best politic game moves, they knew when to throw people under the bus without getting backfired, they knew when to "trim the fat" and they knew how to shape people and play the game. Its a fact...

intimidation is part of political, just like a dictactorship is based on imputing fear and intimitation to take away your freedom is a political move.

 

Seriously either u like it or not JEK had the best politic game moves, they knew when to throw people under the bus without getting backfired, they knew when to "trim the fat" and they knew how to shape people and play the game. Its a fact...

I don't consider intimidation apart of a political game, such as the Challenge. You're trying to get your competition eliminated, not a bill passed.

Bananas didn't "win all the time" either.  He's lost as many times as he won...he if doesn't win this upcoming season he'll be under 50%

Veronica would have more wins had she not quit.  He has a better winning percentage than Evan or Kenny and has as many wins as Kenny and more than Evan.

Just because you found Veronica and Coral to be more entertaining then JEK (I agree) doesn't mean they weren't entertaining.  You just don't like how well they played the game.  That's on you--not them

Darrell won his first 4--are you complaining about him?  He'd have won his first 5 if he didn't punch Brad.  And don't pretend Darrell had to fight his way to those wins.  He rarely saw eliminations.  Landon won 3 of 4...should have been 4 of 4 if not for Brad's move in the elimination round.

Evan only won a third of the time...same as Derrick.  Evelyn has a better winning percentange than either Evan or Kenny.

You have no argument here...you just don't like them as non-castmembers that understood the political side of the game.

Thank you. They had a great political game and Debut can never admit that..They ran the game every challenge even when it was just one of them on the challenge.

I didn't know intimidation was considered political.

It wasn't that they just had the numbers and friends there that made them have a good political game. They made the right moves at the right time...Whatever people can hate on them all they want saying they didn't have a good political games but their wins speak for itself.

Bananas didn't "win all the time" either.  He's lost as many times as he won...he if doesn't win this upcoming season he'll be under 50%

Veronica would have more wins had she not quit.  He has a better winning percentage than Evan or Kenny and has as many wins as Kenny and more than Evan.

Just because you found Veronica and Coral to be more entertaining then JEK (I agree) doesn't mean they weren't entertaining.  You just don't like how well they played the game.  That's on you--not them

Darrell won his first 4--are you complaining about him?  He'd have won his first 5 if he didn't punch Brad.  And don't pretend Darrell had to fight his way to those wins.  He rarely saw eliminations.  Landon won 3 of 4...should have been 4 of 4 if not for Brad's move in the elimination round.

Evan only won a third of the time...same as Derrick.  Evelyn has a better winning percentange than either Evan or Kenny.

You have no argument here...you just don't like them as non-castmembers that understood the political side of the game.

Thank you. They had a great political game and Debut can never admit that..They ran the game every challenge even when it was just one of them on the challenge.

I didn't know intimidation was considered political.

It wasn't that they just had the numbers and friends there that made them have a good political game. They made the right moves at the right time...Whatever people can hate on them all they want saying they didn't have a good political games but their wins speak for itself.

People can like them too, I'm not going to stop anyone from liking JEK, nor do I want to or would be successful at it. I'm just saying is all.

If Frank made it to the final on Free Agents he would have beat Johnny

If Frank made it to the final on Free Agents he would have beat Johnny

Eh I don't know about that. Frank is a beast but I don't think he would have worked well with Nany or Devyn. Frank loses his tempers easily... Maybe if it was actually an indivudal final but it wasn't.

Bananas didn't "win all the time" either.  He's lost as many times as he won...he if doesn't win this upcoming season he'll be under 50%

Veronica would have more wins had she not quit.  He has a better winning percentage than Evan or Kenny and has as many wins as Kenny and more than Evan.

Just because you found Veronica and Coral to be more entertaining then JEK (I agree) doesn't mean they weren't entertaining.  You just don't like how well they played the game.  That's on you--not them

Darrell won his first 4--are you complaining about him?  He'd have won his first 5 if he didn't punch Brad.  And don't pretend Darrell had to fight his way to those wins.  He rarely saw eliminations.  Landon won 3 of 4...should have been 4 of 4 if not for Brad's move in the elimination round.

Evan only won a third of the time...same as Derrick.  Evelyn has a better winning percentange than either Evan or Kenny.

You have no argument here...you just don't like them as non-castmembers that understood the political side of the game.

Thank you. They had a great political game and Debut can never admit that..They ran the game every challenge even when it was just one of them on the challenge.

I didn't know intimidation was considered political.

It wasn't that they just had the numbers and friends there that made them have a good political game. They made the right moves at the right time...Whatever people can hate on them all they want saying they didn't have a good political games but their wins speak for itself.

That's ALL it was. And their wins don't mean anything. Katie won a challenge too does it make her a good player?

 

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It wasn't that they just had the numbers and friends there that made them have a good political game. They made the right moves at the right time...Whatever people can hate on them all they want saying they didn't have a good political games but their wins speak for itself.

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That's ALL it was. And their wins don't mean anything. Katie won a challenge too does it make her a good player?

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She won a team challenge when the challenges were a joke... No comparison

They won invidual, team, and partner challenges that had hard *** finals.. 

 

It wasn't that they just had the numbers and friends there that made them have a good political game. They made the right moves at the right time...Whatever people can hate on them all they want saying they didn't have a good political games but their wins speak for itself.

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That's ALL it was. And their wins don't mean anything. Katie won a challenge too does it make her a good player?

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She won a team challenge when the challenges were a joke... No comparison

They won invidual, team, and partner challenges that had hard *** finals.. 

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Oh so it's okay for YOU to discredit Katies win but not okay for me to discredit JEK's wins? Hypocrite much?

Oh and LOL @ the challenges being a Joke back then. The challenes were at their best in those days NOW it's a joke. A joke that's not funny and uneessairly hard.

 

It wasn't that they just had the numbers and friends there that made them have a good political game. They made the right moves at the right time...Whatever people can hate on them all they want saying they didn't have a good political games but their wins speak for itself.

That's ALL it was. And their wins don't mean anything. Katie won a challenge too does it make her a good player?

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She won a team challenge when the challenges were a joke... No comparison

They won invidual, team, and partner challenges that had hard *** finals.. 

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Oh so it's okay for YOU to discredit Katies win but not okay for me to discredit JEK's wins? Hypocrite much?

Oh and LOL @ the challenges being a Joke back then. The challenes were at their best in those days NOW it's a joke. A joke that's not funny and uneessairly hard.

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Her win just doesn't compare to JEK. It isn't me saying discredting it. I never said she didn't deserve it or earn it that season. I'm just saying it isn't a comparison to JEK's wins that make them good players. 

and the finals were a joke back then...I'm not saying the show was bad then.. the show was 100x better back in the day but competiton wise the challenges were a joke if you can't see that then you're delusional. You don't know how to separate you personal opinions of people to them as competitors. 

 

Her win just doesn't compare to JEK. It isn't me saying discredting it. I never said she didn't deserve it or earn it that season. I'm just saying it isn't a comparison to JEK's wins that make them good players. 

and the finals were a joke back then...I'm not saying the show was bad then.. the show was 100x better back in the day but competiton wise the challenges were a joke if you can't see that then you're delusional. You don't know how to separate you personal opinions of people to them as competitors. 

Oh please. The challenges back then had just as much good competition as they do now..In fact the competition was MUCH better. You can't sit here and say that I'm delusional because I don't think like you.

And why would I need to seperate my personal opinion to them as competitiors anyway? They both play an important role in this show. I'm not going to give a **** about how good of a competitior someone is if they act like unlikable ******** all the time and I'm sure as hell not going to respect their "gameplay" either.

I wish Marie said yes to Free Agents because the idea of LaToya & Marie being on a challenge awesome because they are hilarious and you know they'll cause drama

I wish Marie said yes to Free Agents because the idea of LaToya & Marie being on a challenge awesome because they are hilarious and you know they'll cause drama

Yeah. Latoya and Marie on a challenge together would be all kinds of perfection.

I actually didn't know Marie was asked to be on Free Agents.

 

Her win just doesn't compare to JEK. It isn't me saying discredting it. I never said she didn't deserve it or earn it that season. I'm just saying it isn't a comparison to JEK's wins that make them good players. 

and the finals were a joke back then...I'm not saying the show was bad then.. the show was 100x better back in the day but competiton wise the challenges were a joke if you can't see that then you're delusional. You don't know how to separate you personal opinions of people to them as competitors. 

Oh please. The challenges back then had just as much good competition as they do now..In fact the competition was MUCH better. You can't sit here and say that I'm delusional because I don't think like you.

And why would I need to seperate my personal opinion to them as competitiors anyway? They both play an important role in this show. I'm not going to give a **** about how good of a competitior someone is if they act like unlikable ******** all the time and I'm sure as hell not going to respect their "gameplay" either.

I'm not saying the challenges back there weren't fun to watch and had no competition among the competitors. I was ONLY referring to the finals saying they are a lot harder now than they were then which makes it harder for people to win now. Some people who won back in the day probably wouldn't win now.  It was a lot easier to get to a final back then and win. That is all. But HA we can just agree to disagree because I'm done with this argument... we will never see eye to eye.

 

Her win just doesn't compare to JEK. It isn't me saying discredting it. I never said she didn't deserve it or earn it that season. I'm just saying it isn't a comparison to JEK's wins that make them good players. 

and the finals were a joke back then...I'm not saying the show was bad then.. the show was 100x better back in the day but competiton wise the challenges were a joke if you can't see that then you're delusional. You don't know how to separate you personal opinions of people to them as competitors. 

Oh please. The challenges back then had just as much good competition as they do now..In fact the competition was MUCH better. You can't sit here and say that I'm delusional because I don't think like you.

And why would I need to seperate my personal opinion to them as competitiors anyway? They both play an important role in this show. I'm not going to give a **** about how good of a competitior someone is if they act like unlikable ******** all the time and I'm sure as hell not going to respect their "gameplay" either.

I'm not saying the challenges back there weren't fun to watch and had no competition among the competitors. I was ONLY referring to the finals saying they are a lot harder now than they were then which makes it harder for people to win now. Some people who won back in the day probably wouldn't win now.  It was a lot easier to get to a final back then and win. That is all. But HA we can just agree to disagree because I'm done with this argument... we will never see eye to eye.

Okay you're right they're harder now than they were then but you did say the COMPETITION was a joke. There's more to the competition than the final...But yeah it's pretty obvious neither of us are budging so yeah let's just let this go.

 

1.  People don't give Katie enough credit.  She made two finals...she has a decent number of elimination wins.  She's far from great but not awful.

2.  I don't understand why some act as though JEK did 500 challenges together.  Unless my memory sucks they did 3 together...explain who should have teamed up against them.

The Gauntlet 3--Evan & Kenny threw in Johnny.  I'll repeat THEY THREW IN JOHNNY before Danny or Adam.  The other veterans didn't even have an opportunity to throw them in.  There was only 1 other male gauntlet.  Adam vs. Danny.

The Ruins--Darrell hated Wes more than JEK hated Wes.  Darrell sure as hell wasn't going to team with Wes & Syrus.  He understood the game and played it perfectly.  He volunteered to go in against Danny & Cohutta--two people he'd beat 19 times out of 20 if not 20 out of 20.  In doing so he earned extra cash.  Now people can believe that they would have thrown him in again but you don't **** with Darrell.  Johnny would have gone in.  Johnny knew that.  There was no one on that team (other than Wes & Evelyn) that had any reason to go after JEK for THEIR game

Rivals--This is the only one with even some argument.  Though you would have need Leroy/Mike to think they could work with CT/Adam, Brandon/Ty & Tyrie/Davis.  And consider Adam was dumb enough to work with JEK even though he was their target.  So, it falls on Adam...shocking.

There really isn't an argument.  Kenny proved during FM that he can run the show with J&E, Evan won the Duel without J&K despite being called out multiple times, Johnny's proven multiple times he doesn't need them to win.  Competitors work with Johnny, Evan & Kenny because, right or wrong, they think it benefits them.    Landon is all the proof you need that it is better to trust Kenny than Wes.

1.  People don't give Katie enough credit.  She made two finals...she has a decent number of elimination wins.  She's far from great but not awful.

2.  I don't understand why some act as though JEK did 500 challenges together.  Unless my memory sucks they did 3 together...explain who should have teamed up against them.

The Gauntlet 3--Evan & Kenny threw in Johnny.  I'll repeat THEY THREW IN JOHNNY before Danny or Adam.  The other veterans didn't even have an opportunity to throw them in.  There was only 1 other male gauntlet.  Adam vs. Danny.

The Ruins--Darrell hated Wes more than JEK hated Wes.  Darrell sure as hell wasn't going to team with Wes & Syrus.  He understood the game and played it perfectly.  He volunteered to go in against Danny & Cohutta--two people he'd beat 19 times out of 20 if not 20 out of 20.  In doing so he earned extra cash.  Now people can believe that they would have thrown him in again but you don't **** with Darrell.  Johnny would have gone in.  Johnny knew that.  There was no one on that team (other than Wes & Evelyn) that had any reason to go after JEK for THEIR game

Rivals--This is the only one with even some argument.  Though you would have need Leroy/Mike to think they could work with CT/Adam, Brandon/Ty & Tyrie/Davis.  And consider Adam was dumb enough to work with JEK even though he was their target.  So, it falls on Adam...shocking.

There really isn't an argument.  Kenny proved during FM that he can run the show with J&E, Evan won the Duel without J&K despite being called out multiple times, Johnny's proven multiple times he doesn't need them to win.  Competitors work with Johnny, Evan & Kenny because, right or wrong, they think it benefits them.    Landon is all the proof you need that it is better to trust Kenny than Wes.

Sigh.

Here's my deal; they may have gotten rid of Johnny in Gauntlet III, but look at the rest?

The Ruins we had JEK, plus their sheep; Derrick, Johanna, Darrell, possibly Ibis, and the rest were all afraid to even vote against the rest of them. They practically had the numbers/intimitidation on their side. We knew from the get go that those 6/7 were going to run the game. It ruined the Ruins, and it probably could have turned out differently had they not casted JEK all together.

Rivals was completely out of Kenny's hands; he had to deal with Wes, plus he had Johnny/Tyler and Evan/Nehemiah. No matter what, the was intimidation there, and especially when it came to the voting aspect of it all. In the end, who was there in the finale because of their numbers? JEK. Forgot that Evan didn't even make the finale because of that idiotic attempt at winning an elimination against CT.

The Island shouldn't have to be explained, that season was a mess for me to look at. Evan might have not been there, but J & K were still playing, and were running that season with Johanna and Derrick.

I'm quite tired, so I might be confusing, but I'm also quite confused at the point of your entire post. Are you saying we shouldn't discredit JEK for their wins?

Marie has been asked back to every challenge after BOTS, she said yes to Rivals II but Sam said no and said no to Free Agents because of her job. She also said yes toto Battle Of The Exes 2 but Robb said no :(. She told me she is still open to doing more challenges

Marie has been asked back to every challenge after BOTS, she said yes to Rivals II but Sam said no and said no to Free Agents because of her job. She also said yes toto Battle Of The Exes 2 but Robb said no :(. She told me she is still open to doing more challenges

Given the theme doesn't prohibit it, I imagine she'll be on season 27.

Marie has been asked back to every challenge after BOTS, she said yes to Rivals II but Sam said no and said no to Free Agents because of her job. She also said yes toto Battle Of The Exes 2 but Robb said no :(. She told me she is still open to doing more challenges

Given the theme doesn't prohibit it, I imagine she'll be on season 27.

If LaToya steps out, I'll be fine.

Marie needs to come back but LaToya can stay at home. I feel like I'm the only one who couldn't stand her after FA.

I NEED Marie & LaToya on Allied Forces. 

they should make a Duel 3 Challenge, The Duel was the best

I NEED Marie & LaToya on Allied Forces. 

 

LaToya can stay shes ******* entertaining and the only ghetto fabolous ***** on here who not scared to put******* in their place

I think threw person I want to see the most on a challenge again is Priscilla because I feel like she didn't get to prove herself at all because Nate sucked so bad

I'm like 99.99% sure that Battle Of The Exes 2 will be CT's last challenge I can't see him doing another one

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