The Challenge: Unpopular Opinions

This thread with all the tori and brad hate is aweome. people finally start to see how disgusting those two truly are as human beings.

LMAO Brad is hardly a disgusting human being.  I'd be willing to be Tori is not a disgusting human being as well but she wasn't portrayed in a good light on these shows.

You should reread this thread. Brad is a disgraceful man to this challenge IMO. and its her own fault if she wasn't protrayed in a positive light.

I don't have to re-read shit.  This is a reality tv show with a lot of editing to produce the desired storylines.

But yes, you are entitled to you opinion.

This thread with all the tori and brad hate is aweome. people finally start to see how disgusting those two truly are as human beings.

LMAO Brad is hardly a disgusting human being.  I'd be willing to be Tori is not a disgusting human being as well but she wasn't portrayed in a good light on these shows.

You should reread this thread. Brad is a disgraceful man to this challenge IMO. and its her own fault if she wasn't protrayed in a positive light.

Besides Cutthroat and maybe Duel 2, what other instances has Brad shown himself to be disgraceful? Gauntlet 3 he was worried about Big Easy's health over the prize money.

The Ruins when he made deals with JEK and when he attacked Darrell. Also a lot of people like Bananas stated how hes fake and was annoying. And he tried to act all macho with that Atomic wedgie from the Miz, it was on the Inferno 2 if i remember.

Brad shot himself in the foot from the beginning by putting Brianna into the Ruins instead of Casey so making deals with JEK was just whatever after that. The game could have turned out differently if Casey was gone instead of Brianna. I forgot about the fight with Darrell and the wedgie with the Miz. The wedgie thing was meh to me. It was just a drunken argument. The fight in the Ruins though....both parties are to blame.

This thread with all the tori and brad hate is aweome. people finally start to see how disgusting those two truly are as human beings.

LMAO Brad is hardly a disgusting human being.  I'd be willing to be Tori is not a disgusting human being as well but she wasn't portrayed in a good light on these shows.

I actually feel bad for Brad, because he's actually a great competitior. I just don't like Tori. I do agree, Brad played a shady *** game on Cutthroat. But here's why I . Brandon stated that he wasn't an endurance/cardio person. We know that the final is 75% cardio/25% mental. Why would you have someone on the team that can pull a Big Easy a la Gauntlet 3? Also, you never played with him before so you don't know how he is in a finale. The only problem I had with Brad was how he treated Camila. He knew she was the best female on the team and still treated her like shit. She was better than Tori, Paula and Melinda. Camila shot herself in the foot by telling Brad that she voted for him. That was just dumb. Also, Paula was dumb that season too. If I was Paula, I would have taken Tyler, Camilia and Brandon and aligned with them to take out the couple. Dunbar was up their *** s if Brad and Tori was gone, you could have thrown in the others to make the final. Even though we have Tori (which trust me I do), I came to realized that she played the damn game just like JEK did in the Ruins.

Well to be fair she really didn't belong on the show regardless if she was good or not so I think that's justified.

So we should treat people like shit just because they are outsiders..

Um no. That's not what I said at all. Don't make it into something it isn't. Camilla never appeared on The Real World or Road Rules. Therefore she has no buisness on this show and was a waste of a spot.

Camila is not wasting a spot when she is a good competitor & gives her all every time she is on the show. At this point your rants over Non Cast Members is boring & over the top. Can you really not think of one other opinion or thought about this show besides your disgust for who you perceive as non cast members??

So? isn't that what most people on this show do?

And I have several other opinions about this show and I've stated them all over this board.

I get what you're saying but we have to now know that this is not Real World/Road Rules Challenge anymore. We have to wait and see what the non-RW/RR people have to bring to the table. With that said, Camila was their best female on the Red Team. This is why I was rooting for the Blue Team that season. They went based on performance rather than who they don't like (Red/sometimes Grey). But devil's advocate, Brad and Tori are married. Brad was thinking "hey, if my wife is still here, that's more money in our bank". That's the only reason why he kept Tori along. MTV also knew that this was probably Brad's last hurrah. That's why they wanted to destroy Blue Team's chances of winning (CT vs. Bananas) because they knew if they had Derrick & Bananas with Jenn & Emily, Blue would have crushed Red.

I like Camila as a compeititor, not her personality.

 

Well I don't think they ****** up the Blue team just so Brad could get a win. But It is plausible. I'm just glad Backpack didn't win that season.

Honestly I wanted Gray team to win simply because I think they had the rockiest road out of all the teams and winning the whole thing would've been fitting for them.

And to me this is always gonna be The Real World/Road Rules challenge. Irregardless of how many Non-castmembers they taint the show with.

This thread with all the tori and brad hate is aweome. people finally start to see how disgusting those two truly are as human beings.

LMAO Brad is hardly a disgusting human being.  I'd be willing to be Tori is not a disgusting human being as well but she wasn't portrayed in a good light on these shows.

You should reread this thread. Brad is a disgraceful man to this challenge IMO. and its her own fault if she wasn't protrayed in a positive light.

Besides Cutthroat and maybe Duel 2, what other instances has Brad shown himself to be disgraceful? Gauntlet 3 he was worried about Big Easy's health over the prize money.

The Ruins when he made deals with JEK and when he attacked Darrell. Also a lot of people like Bananas stated how hes fake and was annoying. And he tried to act all macho with that Atomic wedgie from the Miz, it was on the Inferno 2 if i remember.

Brad shot himself in the foot from the beginning by putting Brianna into the Ruins instead of Casey so making deals with JEK was just whatever after that. The game could have turned out differently if Casey was gone instead of Brianna. I forgot about the fight with Darrell and the wedgie with the Miz. The wedgie thing was meh to me. It was just a drunken argument. The fight in the Ruins though....both parties are to blame.

This thread with all the tori and brad hate is aweome. people finally start to see how disgusting those two truly are as human beings.

LMAO Brad is hardly a disgusting human being.  I'd be willing to be Tori is not a disgusting human being as well but she wasn't portrayed in a good light on these shows.

I actually feel bad for Brad, because he's actually a great competitior. I just don't like Tori. I do agree, Brad played a shady *** game on Cutthroat. But here's why I . Brandon stated that he wasn't an endurance/cardio person. We know that the final is 75% cardio/25% mental. Why would you have someone on the team that can pull a Big Easy a la Gauntlet 3? Also, you never played with him before so you don't know how he is in a finale. The only problem I had with Brad was how he treated Camila. He knew she was the best female on the team and still treated her like shit. She was better than Tori, Paula and Melinda. Camila shot herself in the foot by telling Brad that she voted for him. That was just dumb. Also, Paula was dumb that season too. If I was Paula, I would have taken Tyler, Camilia and Brandon and aligned with them to take out the couple. Dunbar was up their *** s if Brad and Tori was gone, you could have thrown in the others to make the final. Even though we have Tori (which trust me I do), I came to realized that she played the damn game just like JEK did in the Ruins.

Well to be fair she really didn't belong on the show regardless if she was good or not so I think that's justified.

So we should treat people like shit just because they are outsiders..

Um no. That's not what I said at all. Don't make it into something it isn't. Camilla never appeared on The Real World or Road Rules. Therefore she has no buisness on this show and was a waste of a spot.

Camila is not wasting a spot when she is a good competitor & gives her all every time she is on the show. At this point your rants over Non Cast Members is boring & over the top. Can you really not think of one other opinion or thought about this show besides your disgust for who you perceive as non cast members??

So? isn't that what most people on this show do?

And I have several other opinions about this show and I've stated them all over this board.

I get what you're saying but we have to now know that this is not Real World/Road Rules Challenge anymore. We have to wait and see what the non-RW/RR people have to bring to the table. With that said, Camila was their best female on the Red Team. This is why I was rooting for the Blue Team that season. They went based on performance rather than who they don't like (Red/sometimes Grey). But devil's advocate, Brad and Tori are married. Brad was thinking "hey, if my wife is still here, that's more money in our bank". That's the only reason why he kept Tori along. MTV also knew that this was probably Brad's last hurrah. That's why they wanted to destroy Blue Team's chances of winning (CT vs. Bananas) because they knew if they had Derrick & Bananas with Jenn & Emily, Blue would have crushed Red.

I like Camila as a compeititor, not her personality.

 

Well I don't think they ****** up the Blue team just so Brad could get a win. But It is plausible. I'm just glad Backpack didn't win that season.

Honestly I wanted Gray team to win simply because I think they had the rockiest road out of all the teams and winning the whole thing would've been fitting for them.

And to me this is always gonna be The Real World/Road Rules challenge. Irregardless of how many Non-castmembers they taint the show with.

Do you really think if Tyler and Bananas went 1 on 1 in Back Up Off Me, that Bananas would lose? Tyler's big and all, but Bananas would have had a better chance with Tyler than with CT who just came in fresh. I love the Bananas Backpack moment and everything but If Banan***ent Tyler home, Riot Act would have been a toss up and I think Blue would have won Riot Act and would have won it all. Grey would have lost anyways because of Abram and Sarah but Red would have been hurting. Also, why would they bring then in the 2nd to last challenge instead of the final elimination round?

This thread with all the tori and brad hate is aweome. people finally start to see how disgusting those two truly are as human beings.

LMAO Brad is hardly a disgusting human being.  I'd be willing to be Tori is not a disgusting human being as well but she wasn't portrayed in a good light on these shows.

You should reread this thread. Brad is a disgraceful man to this challenge IMO. and its her own fault if she wasn't protrayed in a positive light.

Besides Cutthroat and maybe Duel 2, what other instances has Brad shown himself to be disgraceful? Gauntlet 3 he was worried about Big Easy's health over the prize money.

The Ruins when he made deals with JEK and when he attacked Darrell. Also a lot of people like Bananas stated how hes fake and was annoying. And he tried to act all macho with that Atomic wedgie from the Miz, it was on the Inferno 2 if i remember.

Brad shot himself in the foot from the beginning by putting Brianna into the Ruins instead of Casey so making deals with JEK was just whatever after that. The game could have turned out differently if Casey was gone instead of Brianna. I forgot about the fight with Darrell and the wedgie with the Miz. The wedgie thing was meh to me. It was just a drunken argument. The fight in the Ruins though....both parties are to blame.

This thread with all the tori and brad hate is aweome. people finally start to see how disgusting those two truly are as human beings.

LMAO Brad is hardly a disgusting human being.  I'd be willing to be Tori is not a disgusting human being as well but she wasn't portrayed in a good light on these shows.

You should reread this thread. Brad is a disgraceful man to this challenge IMO. and its her own fault if she wasn't protrayed in a positive light.

Besides Cutthroat and maybe Duel 2, what other instances has Brad shown himself to be disgraceful? Gauntlet 3 he was worried about Big Easy's health over the prize money.

The Ruins when he made deals with JEK and when he attacked Darrell. Also a lot of people like Bananas stated how hes fake and was annoying. And he tried to act all macho with that Atomic wedgie from the Miz, it was on the Inferno 2 if i remember.

Brad shot himself in the foot from the beginning by putting Brianna into the Ruins instead of Casey so making deals with JEK was just whatever after that. The game could have turned out differently if Casey was gone instead of Brianna. I forgot about the fight with Darrell and the wedgie with the Miz. The wedgie thing was meh to me. It was just a drunken argument. The fight in the Ruins though....both parties are to blame.

Exactly both parties are to blame. So Brad was still disgraceful.

I would have said that but there's a video of those two squashing it. Also, they said in their interviews that they regret that it happened between those two

 

The Ruins when he made deals with JEK and when he attacked Darrell. Also a lot of people like Bananas stated how hes fake and was annoying. And he tried to act all macho with that Atomic wedgie from the Miz, it was on the Inferno 2 if i remember.

When did he (and the other "lot" of people) mention this?

This thread with all the tori and brad hate is aweome. people finally start to see how disgusting those two truly are as human beings.

LMAO Brad is hardly a disgusting human being.  I'd be willing to be Tori is not a disgusting human being as well but she wasn't portrayed in a good light on these shows.

I actually feel bad for Brad, because he's actually a great competitior. I just don't like Tori. I do agree, Brad played a shady *** game on Cutthroat. But here's why I . Brandon stated that he wasn't an endurance/cardio person. We know that the final is 75% cardio/25% mental. Why would you have someone on the team that can pull a Big Easy a la Gauntlet 3? Also, you never played with him before so you don't know how he is in a finale. The only problem I had with Brad was how he treated Camila. He knew she was the best female on the team and still treated her like shit. She was better than Tori, Paula and Melinda. Camila shot herself in the foot by telling Brad that she voted for him. That was just dumb. Also, Paula was dumb that season too. If I was Paula, I would have taken Tyler, Camilia and Brandon and aligned with them to take out the couple. Dunbar was up their *** s if Brad and Tori was gone, you could have thrown in the others to make the final. Even though we have Tori (which trust me I do), I came to realized that she played the damn game just like JEK did in the Ruins.

Well to be fair she really didn't belong on the show regardless if she was good or not so I think that's justified.

So we should treat people like shit just because they are outsiders..

Um no. That's not what I said at all. Don't make it into something it isn't. Camilla never appeared on The Real World or Road Rules. Therefore she has no buisness on this show and was a waste of a spot.

Camila is not wasting a spot when she is a good competitor & gives her all every time she is on the show. At this point your rants over Non Cast Members is boring & over the top. Can you really not think of one other opinion or thought about this show besides your disgust for who you perceive as non cast members??

So? isn't that what most people on this show do?

And I have several other opinions about this show and I've stated them all over this board.

I get what you're saying but we have to now know that this is not Real World/Road Rules Challenge anymore. We have to wait and see what the non-RW/RR people have to bring to the table. With that said, Camila was their best female on the Red Team. This is why I was rooting for the Blue Team that season. They went based on performance rather than who they don't like (Red/sometimes Grey). But devil's advocate, Brad and Tori are married. Brad was thinking "hey, if my wife is still here, that's more money in our bank". That's the only reason why he kept Tori along. MTV also knew that this was probably Brad's last hurrah. That's why they wanted to destroy Blue Team's chances of winning (CT vs. Bananas) because they knew if they had Derrick & Bananas with Jenn & Emily, Blue would have crushed Red.

I like Camila as a compeititor, not her personality.

 

Well I don't think they ****** up the Blue team just so Brad could get a win. But It is plausible. I'm just glad Backpack didn't win that season.

Honestly I wanted Gray team to win simply because I think they had the rockiest road out of all the teams and winning the whole thing would've been fitting for them.

And to me this is always gonna be The Real World/Road Rules challenge. Irregardless of how many Non-castmembers they taint the show with.

Do you really think if Tyler and Bananas went 1 on 1 in Back Up Off Me, that Bananas would lose? Tyler's big and all, but Bananas would have had a better chance with Tyler than with CT who just came in fresh. I love the Bananas Backpack moment and everything but If Banan***ent Tyler home, Riot Act would have been a toss up and I think Blue would have won Riot Act and would have won it all. Grey would have lost anyways because of Abram and Sarah but Red would have been hurting. Also, why would they bring then in the 2nd to last challenge instead of the final elimination round?

I still say that Backpack loses(and it's not because I hate him. I still think that Tyler wins that). He's not unbeatable. Tyler was bigger than him and probably could drag him(not in the way CT did but he would've won).

And come on do you really think Backpack/Emily/Jenn/Derrick could beat Red and Gray? I don't think so. Red Still wins in my mind.

This thread with all the tori and brad hate is aweome. people finally start to see how disgusting those two truly are as human beings.

LMAO Brad is hardly a disgusting human being.  I'd be willing to be Tori is not a disgusting human being as well but she wasn't portrayed in a good light on these shows.

I actually feel bad for Brad, because he's actually a great competitior. I just don't like Tori. I do agree, Brad played a shady *** game on Cutthroat. But here's why I . Brandon stated that he wasn't an endurance/cardio person. We know that the final is 75% cardio/25% mental. Why would you have someone on the team that can pull a Big Easy a la Gauntlet 3? Also, you never played with him before so you don't know how he is in a finale. The only problem I had with Brad was how he treated Camila. He knew she was the best female on the team and still treated her like shit. She was better than Tori, Paula and Melinda. Camila shot herself in the foot by telling Brad that she voted for him. That was just dumb. Also, Paula was dumb that season too. If I was Paula, I would have taken Tyler, Camilia and Brandon and aligned with them to take out the couple. Dunbar was up their *** s if Brad and Tori was gone, you could have thrown in the others to make the final. Even though we have Tori (which trust me I do), I came to realized that she played the damn game just like JEK did in the Ruins.

Well to be fair she really didn't belong on the show regardless if she was good or not so I think that's justified.

So we should treat people like shit just because they are outsiders..

Um no. That's not what I said at all. Don't make it into something it isn't. Camilla never appeared on The Real World or Road Rules. Therefore she has no buisness on this show and was a waste of a spot.

Camila is not wasting a spot when she is a good competitor & gives her all every time she is on the show. At this point your rants over Non Cast Members is boring & over the top. Can you really not think of one other opinion or thought about this show besides your disgust for who you perceive as non cast members??

So? isn't that what most people on this show do?

And I have several other opinions about this show and I've stated them all over this board.

I get what you're saying but we have to now know that this is not Real World/Road Rules Challenge anymore. We have to wait and see what the non-RW/RR people have to bring to the table. With that said, Camila was their best female on the Red Team. This is why I was rooting for the Blue Team that season. They went based on performance rather than who they don't like (Red/sometimes Grey). But devil's advocate, Brad and Tori are married. Brad was thinking "hey, if my wife is still here, that's more money in our bank". That's the only reason why he kept Tori along. MTV also knew that this was probably Brad's last hurrah. That's why they wanted to destroy Blue Team's chances of winning (CT vs. Bananas) because they knew if they had Derrick & Bananas with Jenn & Emily, Blue would have crushed Red.

I like Camila as a compeititor, not her personality.

 

Well I don't think they ****** up the Blue team just so Brad could get a win. But It is plausible. I'm just glad Backpack didn't win that season.

Honestly I wanted Gray team to win simply because I think they had the rockiest road out of all the teams and winning the whole thing would've been fitting for them.

And to me this is always gonna be The Real World/Road Rules challenge. Irregardless of how many Non-castmembers they taint the show with.

Do you really think if Tyler and Bananas went 1 on 1 in Back Up Off Me, that Bananas would lose? Tyler's big and all, but Bananas would have had a better chance with Tyler than with CT who just came in fresh. I love the Bananas Backpack moment and everything but If Banan***ent Tyler home, Riot Act would have been a toss up and I think Blue would have won Riot Act and would have won it all. Grey would have lost anyways because of Abram and Sarah but Red would have been hurting. Also, why would they bring then in the 2nd to last challenge instead of the final elimination round?

I still say that Backpack loses(and it's not because I hate him. I still think that Tyler wins that). He's not unbeatable. Tyler was bigger than him and probably could drag him(not in the way CT did but he would've won).

And come on do you really think Backpack/Emily/Jenn/Derrick could beat Red and Gray? I don't think so. Red Still wins in my mind.

If Derrick and Johnny both made the final then that would mean two other guys didn't. You think those four wouldn't beat a team of Tori and one, MAYBE two of Brad/Dunbar/Tyler? Of course they would. 

lol Tyler would've beat Johnny in that regardless. All Johnny would talk about was how fat Tyler was getting & CT also commented on Tyler putting on weight.

Something REALLY needs to be done about the quoting feature. The old way was much better than the wall o' text, I can see how that would be annoying lol

Wasn't it mentioned on Derrick's podcast that CT and Tyler did actually go at it but production cut it out? IIRC it took CT much longer to beat him then it took him to beat Bananas.

Do you really think if Tyler and Bananas went 1 on 1 in Back Up Off Me?

Absolutely

And come on do you really think Backpack/Emily/Jenn/Derrick could beat Red and Gray? I don't think so. Red Still wins in my mind.

The puzzle would have been a problem or the Blue team.    Derrick's useless in that BUT I think Theresa beats Tori was well.  The 5 of them would win the final over either of the other teams--especially if you take Tyler away from his team

Tyler would have beat Johnny if they actually went head to head in that elimination. Tyler is a big dude and outsizes him.

I really don't see "it" for Frank. He is good but elite? ...nah. I would personally take CJ over him.

I also believe he would've been the same on Free Agents as his past challenges had he not been sick.

I like Tori and feel that a lot of the times she got mad or upset (Gauntlet 3 going against Melinda/Brad being voted in by Camila) was justifiable. I just feel that the way she would come off is *****y and condesending. She had rights to be upset certain times but would be overally upset and dramatic which then causes people to hate her. It seems like she doesn't have the right mentality for these shows which is why she over does it sometimes coming off at a *****. I wouldn't mind her coming back at all. 

I really don't see "it" for Frank. He is good but elite? ...nah. I would personally take CJ over him. 

I also believe he would've been the same on Free Agents as his past challenges had he not been sick.

CJ was decent at best on Fresh Meat 2, and even though he really impressed me on his elimination against Zach, that's not enough for me to put him ahead Frank. 

So he would have been a beast then? To be honest for me Frank is the best competitor to come since Bananas, and I may even rank Frank above him. 

I really don't see "it" for Frank. He is good but elite? ...nah. I would personally take CJ over him. 

I also believe he would've been the same on Free Agents as his past challenges had he not been sick.

CJ was decent at best on Fresh Meat 2, and even though he really impressed me on his elimination against Zach, that's not enough for me to put him ahead Frank. 

So he would have been a beast then? To be honest for me Frank is the best competitor to come since Bananas, and I may even rank Frank above him. 

No, the attention-whoring & trying to start shit.

I like Tori and feel that a lot of the times she got mad or upset (Gauntlet 3 going against Melinda/Brad being voted in by Camila) was justifiable. I just feel that the way she would come off is *****y and condesending. She had rights to be upset certain times but would be overally upset and dramatic which then causes people to hate her. It seems like she doesn't have the right mentality for these shows which is why she over does it sometimes coming off at a *****. I wouldn't mind her coming back at all. 

To clarify--she voted in Camila multiple times but she had the right to be pissed that Camila voted in people she cared about....yes, she's a *****.  Thanks for making the argument for me.

Let's just be real--she's a *****.  Always has been always will be.

I like Tori and feel that a lot of the times she got mad or upset (Gauntlet 3 going against Melinda/Brad being voted in by Camila) was justifiable. I just feel that the way she would come off is *****y and condesending. She had rights to be upset certain times but would be overally upset and dramatic which then causes people to hate her. It seems like she doesn't have the right mentality for these shows which is why she over does it sometimes coming off at a *****. I wouldn't mind her coming back at all. 

To clarify--she voted in Camila multiple times but she had the right to be pissed that Camila voted in people she cared about....yes, she's a *****.  Thanks for making the argument for me.

Let's just be real--she's a *****.  Always has been always will be.

Camila was brand new and was outside of her circle so Tori voting her in multiple times was not a surprise. Like I said the way she comes off makes her look like a ***** but I don't think she did anything wrong voting her multiple times especially later on when Camila was causing drama for the team. I think Tori mainly got mad from her voting Brad in was because Camila voted in her for husband. I don't think Tori cared much on the game aspect but saw it as this girl who she already doesn't like is voting her husband in to possibly send him home. I don't think Tori would have been as upset had she voted in Dunbar or Tyler. Btw I like Camila a lot more than Tori but I feel like Tori gets a lot of uneccesary hate from people on here who probably never met her before. 

I like Tori and feel that a lot of the times she got mad or upset (Gauntlet 3 going against Melinda/Brad being voted in by Camila) was justifiable. I just feel that the way she would come off is *****y and condesending. She had rights to be upset certain times but would be overally upset and dramatic which then causes people to hate her. It seems like she doesn't have the right mentality for these shows which is why she over does it sometimes coming off at a *****. I wouldn't mind her coming back at all. 

To clarify--she voted in Camila multiple times but she had the right to be pissed that Camila voted in people she cared about....yes, she's a *****.  Thanks for making the argument for me.

Let's just be real--she's a *****.  Always has been always will be.

Camila was brand new and was outside of her circle so Tori voting her in multiple times was not a surprise. Like I said the way she comes off makes her look like a ***** but I don't think she did anything wrong voting her multiple times especially later on when Camila was causing drama for the team. I think Tori mainly got mad from her voting Brad in was because Camila voted in her for husband. I don't think Tori cared much on the game aspect but saw it as this girl who she already doesn't like is voting her husband in to possibly send him home. I don't think Tori would have been as upset had she voted in Dunbar or Tyler. Btw I like Camila a lot more than Tori but I feel like Tori gets a lot of uneccesary hate from people on here who probably never met her before. 

And to add to this Camilla is a Non-castmember so Tori had every right to throw her in.

I like Tori and feel that a lot of the times she got mad or upset (Gauntlet 3 going against Melinda/Brad being voted in by Camila) was justifiable. I just feel that the way she would come off is *****y and condesending. She had rights to be upset certain times but would be overally upset and dramatic which then causes people to hate her. It seems like she doesn't have the right mentality for these shows which is why she over does it sometimes coming off at a *****. I wouldn't mind her coming back at all. 

To clarify--she voted in Camila multiple times but she had the right to be pissed that Camila voted in people she cared about....yes, she's a *****.  Thanks for making the argument for me.

Let's just be real--she's a *****.  Always has been always will be.

Camila was brand new and was outside of her circle so Tori voting her in multiple times was not a surprise. Like I said the way she comes off makes her look like a ***** but I don't think she did anything wrong voting her multiple times especially later on when Camila was causing drama for the team. I think Tori mainly got mad from her voting Brad in was because Camila voted in her for husband. I don't think Tori cared much on the game aspect but saw it as this girl who she already doesn't like is voting her husband in to possibly send him home. I don't think Tori would have been as upset had she voted in Dunbar or Tyler. Btw I like Camila a lot more than Tori but I feel like Tori gets a lot of uneccesary hate from people on here who probably never met her before. 

This isn't an edit with Tori.  Tori is who she is.  People don't think differently about her outside the show.  This is a game--Brad deserved to be voted in--in fact he should have been.  Camila wasn't causing drama on the team...Tori, per usual, was.  It isn't "everyone else" that's the problem.  It is Tori. 

I don't care that Tori voted in Camila & Brandon multiple times--that's the game.  I care that she's willing to play the game but isn't willing to let others.  She's just a *****.  There's no spinning this.

I really don't see "it" for Frank. He is good but elite? ...nah. I would personally take CJ over him. 

I also believe he would've been the same on Free Agents as his past challenges had he not been sick.

CJ was decent at best on Fresh Meat 2, and even though he really impressed me on his elimination against Zach, that's not enough for me to put him ahead Frank. 

So he would have been a beast then? To be honest for me Frank is the best competitor to come since Bananas, and I may even rank Frank above him. 

Frank had one of the weakest casts ever on Seasons and on Rivals 2 had a downgraded Bananas (big reason people seem to think Frank is better than Bananas). It seems like people think Frank is elite and on par with the Landons, CTs, Abrams, Derricks of the Challenges which isn't the case. I also think people kinda want to assume Frank would have been more likable on FA but there's like 5% chance of that happening but that's another argument.

But challenge wize he was doing great, considering he was sick.

I really don't see "it" for Frank. He is good but elite? ...nah. I would personally take CJ over him. 

I also believe he would've been the same on Free Agents as his past challenges had he not been sick.

CJ was decent at best on Fresh Meat 2, and even though he really impressed me on his elimination against Zach, that's not enough for me to put him ahead Frank. 

So he would have been a beast then? To be honest for me Frank is the best competitor to come since Bananas, and I may even rank Frank above him. 

Frank had one of the weakest casts ever on Seasons and on Rivals 2 had a downgraded Bananas (big reason people seem to think Frank is better than Bananas). It seems like people think Frank is elite and on par with the Landons, CTs, Abrams, Derricks of the Challenges which isn't the case. I also think people kinda want to assume Frank would have been more likable on FA but there's like 5% chance of that happening but that's another argument.

I have always found the whole "that cast was weak so it doesn't say much" bullshit. He may have had it a little bit easier, but he still performed great and I'm sure he could have handled a little more competition. He is great at politics, he is great at finals, he is great at missions. He's is just the total package. 

I really don't see "it" for Frank. He is good but elite? ...nah. I would personally take CJ over him. 

I also believe he would've been the same on Free Agents as his past challenges had he not been sick.

CJ was decent at best on Fresh Meat 2, and even though he really impressed me on his elimination against Zach, that's not enough for me to put him ahead Frank. 

So he would have been a beast then? To be honest for me Frank is the best competitor to come since Bananas, and I may even rank Frank above him. 

Frank had one of the weakest casts ever on Seasons and on Rivals 2 had a downgraded Bananas (big reason people seem to think Frank is better than Bananas). It seems like people think Frank is elite and on par with the Landons, CTs, Abrams, Derricks of the Challenges which isn't the case. I also think people kinda want to assume Frank would have been more likable on FA but there's like 5% chance of that happening but that's another argument.

I have always found the whole "that cast was weak so it doesn't say much" bullshit. He may have had it a little bit easier, but he still performed great and I'm sure he could have handled a little more competition. He is great at politics, he is great at finals, he is great at missions. He's is just the total package. 

I agree. Whether the cast was weak or not he still showed that he's a good competitior and I do think that He would've made it to the end on Free Agents had he not been sick and sent home because of it.

I don't think the Seasons 2 cast was that weak. Frank was unproven himself at the time.

With the repetitive way they cast, I see him as probably 5th/6th best. He's like a Jonna/Diem type in which if you get them in a final they'll excel, but they have to NOT get eliminated first.