[QUOTE=FishHooks;294637]I doubt it. Ed burns made a feature movie recently with virtually change gathered from around his house. I imagine cheap technology has dropped the cost of shows like awkward to next to nothing compared to 10 years ago.[/QUOTE]
But surely the paychecks for the cast accumulates to over 1m. Then you have writers, crew and sets to pay for which will also come to a hefty sum.
[QUOTE=ILoveRW;294638]But surely the paychecks for the cast accumulates to over 1m. Then you have writers, crew and sets to pay for which will also come to a hefty sum.[/QUOTE]
No way I dont think the cast gets paid that much, I was thinking 1k per week? Or is that too little? I know they pay RW people get paid basically nothing.
[QUOTE=ILoveRW;294638][B]But surely the paychecks for the cast accumulates to over 1m[/B]. Then you have writers, crew and sets to pay for which will also come to a hefty sum.[/QUOTE]
For a show that isn't that popular and has actors that aren't that well-known, I would say they probably make less than that actually.
This is starting to stray past the topic, so let's just stick to Challenge Ratings now.
MTV Press Release[QUOTE]
MTV’S “THE CHALLENGE: BATTLE OF THE EXES” PREMIERE TOPS WEDNESDAY NIGHT ON CABLE
New York, NY – (January 26, 2012) – The season premiere of “The Challenge: Battle of the Exes” was the best debut in eight seasons for the franchise and Wednesday’s #1 original cable series. “The Challenge: Battle of The Exes” averaged a 1.9 P12-34 rating, and delivered 1.9 million total viewers.
In next weeks episode of “The Challenge: Battle of the Exes” airing on Wednesday, February 1, a drunken action by one Challenger has devastating consequences. And unrequited love is in the air as Wes pines after his partner Mandi, and Naomi makes jealous one-sided claims over Leroy.
“The Challenge” saw its highest numbers on mtv.com for the franchise since 2009, with 53k unique visitors. The "Exes" show page saw a 26 percent increase in traffic over "The Rivals" premiere. "Battle of the Exes" trended #1 right out of the gate and in total, six terms from the show trended throughout the hour.
“The Challenge: Battle of the Exes,” was created for MTV by Bunim/Murray Productions. Jonathan Murray, Scott Freeman and Justin Booth serve as Executive Producers. Jacquelyn French is the MTV Executive in charge of production.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=awalllll;294646]okay, I don't understand the rating numbers. would 1.9 be considered good? Is it better than rivals?[/QUOTE]
1.9 million is better than the premiere of Rivals but not the Finale. Rivals dropped off after the first episode and picked back up at episode 6. It finished really strong though because those last few episodes were really good. If you watch the Rivals trailer again you will see it blows any other trailer for the Challenge out of the water. I think Exes will have similar numbers to episodes 2-5 of Rivals.
Wow, they are using twitter trends in press releases now? Great to see that the show started off well. 1.4 really looked low to me but it sounds like that is pretty good. I need to go back and look at the Rivals ratings thread.
Looks like you may be able to have a highly rated challenge without Kenny after all. Mr. Beautiful may not like the sound of that... Haha.
[QUOTE=FishHooks;294637]I doubt it. Ed burns made a feature movie recently with virtually change gathered from around his house. I imagine cheap technology has dropped the cost of shows like awkward to next to nothing compared to 10 years ago.[/QUOTE]
BMP has a huge investment in HD to amortize.
[QUOTE=ILoveRW;294638]But surely the paychecks for the cast accumulates to over 1m. Then you have writers, crew and sets to pay for which will also come to a hefty sum.[/QUOTE]
The cast gets practically pennies compared to Jersey Shore and Teen Mom, certainly out of proportion to the ratings unless the scale used is logarithmic . Molds13 may be able to shed light on the house cost if her usual location research was successful, but the crew is actually pretty cheap by industry standards -- non-union, and relatively inexperienced. BMP let some of the experience people go two years ago in a cost cutting move. I would imagine that insurance is now a much more significant cost than it used to be.
[QUOTE=V1man;294686]The cast gets practically pennies compared to Jersey Shore and Teen Mom, certainly out of proportion to the ratings unless the scale used is logarithmic . [/QUOTE]
The exponential function would give a better model :P. 1-213
[QUOTE=V1man;294686]BMP has a huge investment in HD to amortize.
The cast gets practically pennies compared to Jersey Shore and Teen Mom, certainly out of proportion to the ratings unless the scale used is logarithmic . Molds13 may be able to shed light on the house cost if her usual location research was successful, but the crew is actually pretty cheap by industry standards -- non-union, and relatively inexperienced. BMP let some of the experience people go two years ago in a cost cutting move. I would imagine that insurance is now a much more significant cost than it used to be.[/QUOTE]
This comment got me interested in Jersey Shores ratings, theyre triple the ratings of The Challenge. I don't get that, especially with challenge advertising during Jshore. Wouldn't they get a large chunk of viewers? I would think the audiences would be a fan of both shows, not where the challenge gets 2M and Jshore gets 8M
[QUOTE=MuchoDenaro;294693]This comment got me interested in Jersey Shores ratings, theyre triple the ratings of The Challenge. I don't get that, especially with challenge advertising during Jshore. Wouldn't they get a large chunk of viewers? I would think the audiences would be a fan of both shows, not where the challenge gets 2M and Jshore gets 8M[/QUOTE]
Well, an "Ah Ha" moment occurs... Great!
The fact that the audience doesn't extend to both shows is interesting, but not necessarily surprising. There is a vevmo thread for Jersey Shore, but it has far less attraction for members (one in one hundred perhaps) when compared to the challenges series threads.
I've never heard any results of focus group research to determine the difference in the audience probably since such info is usually a closely guarded corporate secret, but I can't imagine that they have not done such research.
Several years ago I know where was considerable debate within BMP (presumably with MTV involvement) when one of the issues was new vs old cast members and a more Jersey Shore like flavor to the cast. In other words, turning from a casting base of people from different environments who learned to live together in a RW house, in favor of people from like or dissimilar backgrounds who would NOT get along when living together, ala Bad Girls' Club.
I was told that "Old school" lost out, and FM represented a turn in a different direction. (Of course, not every cast member fits the convenient box of people who learned to get along vs those who wouldn't/couldn't. On the challenges, game theory usually gets in the way.
[QUOTE=MuchoDenaro;294693]This comment got me interested in Jersey Shores ratings, theyre triple the ratings of The Challenge. I don't get that, especially with challenge advertising during Jshore. Wouldn't they get a large chunk of viewers? I would think the audiences would be a fan of both shows, not where the challenge gets 2M and Jshore gets 8M[/QUOTE]
"Jshore gets 8M."
^^^^^^ WOW, there are a lot of brainwashed morons in this country....
A lot of everyday people get a kick out of Jersey Shore. I enjoyed the first season or two but now I am simply tired of the cast and the same shenanigans. In the first season, crazy things were happening, people were getting into full blown fist fights, the cast was doing unpredictable things, it was like watching the Real World or College Hill with all the safety nets gone.
Where everything eventually fizzled out for me, most people are still going strong. Those kids have made so much money that they should be set for the very foreseeable future, especially if any of them opt to continue living their humble lives in Jersey.
I'm pretty impressed at how far they have managed to milk this ride. Of all the scores and scores of reality shows that gave come out over the years and of all the young people that just wanted to get on TV, these guys made it like no other.
I heard the 1st episode had 1.9 million viewers that's a great start hopefully the show can continue to do good in the ratings and keep the franchise alive. It seems like BMP is going all out for this season from withholding any potential spoilers and making the final challenge the most epic of all.
Jersey Shore is like an event, even some bars promote showing it, and MTV came up with the term "Jerzday" there is no such hype around the Challenge. Jersey Shore also gets a plethora of Media Coverage, if Snooki trips in a club its National news, if Mark does who knows if even this forum would find out. I also think the fact the cast has been consistent is a big factor, its almost as though Jersey Shore is NOT a reality show, and more like a regular sitcom.
The challenge is already way better than Jersey Shore is right now. Jersey Shore was good for the entertainment value for the first 3 seasons, but it is not even entertaining anymore in a trainwreck way. I don't see this current season doing as well as the earlier ones. I predict a drop off.
I hope the challenge does great and it gets lot of promos during Jersey Shore.
[QUOTE=Camille;294746]The challenge is already way better than Jersey Shore is right now. Jersey Shore was good for the entertainment value for the first 3 seasons, but it is not even entertaining anymore in a trainwreck way. I don't see this current season doing as well as the earlier ones. I predict a drop off.
I hope the challenge does great and it gets lot of promos during Jersey Shore.[/QUOTE]
I agree, its so boring now, so is the original teen mom. I cant believe how hard the challenge has to try to make things interesting. If they put the right people on the show there will always be some kind of entertaining drama, more interesting than JS and teen mom where its turning into the same thing on every episode.
Maybe for the next Real World they should cast someone from south Jersey who is single, pregnant and will give birth on camera while in the house. Then the kid would qualify to participate in the challenge in 2034.
[QUOTE=MuchoDenaro;294693]This comment got me interested in Jersey Shores ratings, theyre triple the ratings of The Challenge. I don't get that, especially with challenge advertising during Jshore. Wouldn't they get a large chunk of viewers? I would think the audiences would be a fan of both shows, not where the challenge gets 2M and Jshore gets 8M[/QUOTE]
Jersey Shore isn't the standard for ratings. It's ratings are great but even if a show get's 1.5 in the demo MTV will be VERY happy with that. For an average reality tv show BOTE is doing good so far. But Teen Mom and Jersey Shore are amazing for MTV.
At this point, I just don't see what the challenge could do to even compete with Jersey shore. The only thing that would bring ratings anywhere close would be the Jersey Shore kids doing a challenge. That would be a whole other headache though as they would demand their pay which is astronomically higher than anything the challengers make.
ON top of that I think any normal group would get run roughshod over if they had to compete against veteran challengers. Well I got a few ideas but they are all risky and pretty major departures from typical challenge fare. One them involves live challenges/eliminations with a tournament setting.
I wonder if Jersey Shore pulls in rerun audiences ahead of Challenge first runs because they flood the tube with Jersey Shore whenever its season is on but never do that with RW/Challenges. Same with Teen Mom. I really don't know how they can afford the Challenges with these numbers unless they get a ton of money from Under Armor.
[QUOTE=Calinks;294777]At this point, I just don't see what the challenge could do to even compete with Jersey shore. The only thing that would bring ratings anywhere close would be the Jersey Shore kids doing a challenge. That would be a whole other headache though as they would demand their pay which is astronomically higher than anything the challengers make.
ON top of that I think any normal group would get run roughshod over if they had to compete against veteran challengers. Well I got a few ideas but they are all risky and pretty major departures from typical challenge fare.[B] One them involves live challenges/eliminations with a tournament setting.[/B][/QUOTE]This kind of sounds like what they did for Road Rules: Viewers Revenge and we all saw how [I]that[/I] turned out.
[QUOTE=ClubSandwich;294990]Plus elimination rounds last way way longer than what they show on TV, there's no way that could translate well live.[/QUOTE]
Yeah seriously...Imagine watching the ENTIRE Gauntlet between Sarah and Irulan on the Gauntlet I?! Hanging upside down for 48 minutes...watching it all would be incredibly boring.
[QUOTE=jhl182;294999]Yeah seriously...Imagine watching the ENTIRE Gauntlet between Sarah and Irulan on the Gauntlet I?! Hanging upside down for 48 minutes...watching it all would be incredibly boring.[/QUOTE]
But I'd love to watch the full Wes Derrick pole wrestle, or the pole wrestling challenges that are on this season in their entirety.
[QUOTE=LaneV95;294760]Jersey Shore isn't the standard for ratings. It's ratings are great but even if a show get's 1.5 in the demo MTV will be VERY happy with that. For an average reality tv show BOTE is doing good so far. But Teen Mom and Jersey Shore are amazing for MTV.[/QUOTE]
When I was growing up, I could never imagine something like Teen Mom ever being on MTV. Man times have changed...
I don't think a live elimination would ever work on Challenges. Those only work when there is a vote-off.
Teen Mom is not a bad concept, they just focus too much on the relationship drama which is half the Challenges problem with the other half being the featured cast, or at least the males, are just arrogant jerks. I expect to see the ratings slide down this week to 1.6
With enough creativity, anything could work, it's just not easy to break the mold like that. The eliminations could all be set up in ways that make them end quicker. The eliminations could be done and edited the previous day but challenges are shown live. The show may not be "Live" but the events could be happening in near real time with viewer input. These are all just thoughts and they would take a lot of effort to bring to fruition and make entertaining but I'm just throwing stuff out there.
Maybe someone should make a what would you do to improve the challenge thread where we can just come up with ideas. When I think about it, I like how things are now. the only changes I would like to see are more team challenges (I like 3 or more teams actually ala Cutthroat), far fewer timed water challenges (really tired of seeing people try to finish a course in time over water), and more competition focused.
I want more match ups, more debates about who could be who or who is craftier than who. I think some of that, could bring ratings, if people knew they were going to see top people go head to head but I don't think that will work as well for casual viewers as it would for myself. They probably wouldn't care if Laurel was facing of against Rachel, or Kenny was taking on CT, or Frank was matching wits with Johnny in some crazy elimination puzzle. Those are the show downs that make me want to watch but we hardly ever get them. I doubt the ratings would be affected much either unless some really informed viewers were watching.
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