I never understood how Frank was so hated on yet there are people who are a **** of a lot worse than him on these shows and they are loved to death(Like JEK for example).
I despised him on his RW season and on BOTS, but now he is on my top 5 favorite males ever.
And I was actually surprised that Emily(DC) was one of the few people from her seasons that did challenges. I always thought that Ashley and Erika would've been the Female challenge regualrs of that season.
And I was actually surprised that Emily(DC) was one of the few people from her seasons that did challenges. I always thought that Ashley and Erika would've been the Female challenge regualrs of that season.
Why? Emily said she was a adrenaline junkie, and loved doing things like rock climbing and stuff. I'm not shocked Erika wasn't on the challenge she doesn't seem like she'd like doing missions or being targeted by veterans.
And I was actually surprised that Emily(DC) was one of the few people from her seasons that did challenges. I always thought that Ashley and Erika would've been the Female challenge regualrs of that season.
Why? Emily said she was a adrenaline junkie, and loved doing things like rock climbing and stuff. I'm not shocked Erika wasn't on the challenge she doesn't seem like she'd like doing missions or being targeted by veterans.
She said that? I don't remember.
She just didn't seem like she would do a challenge to me.
I never understood how Frank w***o hated on yet there are people who are a **** of a lot worse than him on these shows and they are loved to death(Like JEK for example).
I have learned to like Frank but I didn't enjoy watching him be so mean to his fellow San Diego castmates on BOTS2.
I have always enjoyed Kennys cocky attitude because I do find him so beautiful. He seems like an *** on TV but he totally gets away with it for me.
I have just loved Evan from FM because he was Corals partner and they honestly kicked *** until he got a hernia. I felt like that challenge could have been theirs and so he will always have a soft spot in my heart. I love how Canadian and funny he is. I wanted landon to win the duel 2 because obviously he dominated but I was also super happy that Evan did!
As for bananas well... I didn't start liking him until Free Agents... I have always found him funny... But he has never been one of my favorites and I have never rooted for him in past challenges.
I never understood how Frank was so hated on yet there are people who are a **** of a lot worse than him on these shows and they are loved to death(Like JEK for example).
What exactly don't you understand about the Frank hate? Seems more then justified after watching BotS and RR:SD2.
And I was actually surprised that Emily(DC) was one of the few people from her seasons that did challenges. I always thought that Ashley and Erika would've been the Female challenge regualrs of that season.
Why? Emily said she was a adrenaline junkie, and loved doing things like rock climbing and stuff. I'm not shocked Erika wasn't on the challenge she doesn't seem like she'd like doing missions or being targeted by veterans.
She said that? I don't remember.
She just didn't seem like she would do a challenge to me.
She said it on the first episode, she was talking about it and Andrew lied saying he is too and he's skydived and rock climbs. Then his confessional was like " I've never done any of that
And I was actually surprised that Emily(DC) was one of the few people from her seasons that did challenges. I always thought that Ashley and Erika would've been the Female challenge regualrs of that season.
Why? Emily said she was a adrenaline junkie, and loved doing things like rock climbing and stuff. I'm not shocked Erika wasn't on the challenge she doesn't seem like she'd like doing missions or being targeted by veterans.
She said that? I don't remember.
She just didn't seem like she would do a challenge to me.
She said it on the first episode, she was talking about it and Andrew lied saying he is too and he's skydived and rock climbs. Then his confessional was like " I've never done any of that
Oh..I haven't seen that season since it aired so I forgot all about that.
I never understood how Frank was so hated on yet there are people who are a **** of a lot worse than him on these shows and they are loved to death(Like JEK for example).
What exactly don't you understand about the Frank hate? Seems more then justified after watching BotS and RR:SD2.
I get why people dislike him but my point is is that there are people who are 10X worse that Frank ever was yet people LOVE them. That's the part I never got.
Well JEK isn't too loved around here. I really don't see them as being worse then Frank though, they've never been drunk beligerent cowards. Unless you're refering to the Tonya incident I just don't see it. I found Frank on BotS to be just as bad as backpack from the Island.
He definitely did seem to be improving just as he "retired" though so thts unfortunate.
Well JEK isn't too loved around here. I really don't see them as being worse then Frank though, they've never been drunk beligerent cowards. Unless you're refering to the Tonya incident I just don't see it. I found Frank on BotS to be just as bad as backpack from the Island.
He definitely did seem to be improving just as he "retired" though so thts unfortunate.
It's not just JEK that I'm talking about. Paula, Jenn, Evelyn, were all awful too. I'll throw in Camilla too. Cara Maria as well(Although to a lesser extent). And Laurel.
JEK, as dumb and juvenile are they are (and alleged Tonya incident aside) have only really participated in stupid dude-bro insults and pranks. This one is fat, this one is a loser, let’s pour some baby powder on this one, let’s stick feathers on this one. I’d bet you couldn’t find a sound bite from Johnny, Evan, or Kenny saying anything close to Frank talking about Nany’s sister’s heroin addiction. Now, I don’t mind Frank now, and that was in retaliation to some pretty shitty comments from Nany, but none of JEK has ever said something like that. The closest thing is Johnny making fun of Jordan’s hand, which I still don’t think is in the same league as talking about someone’s family member’s substance abuse issues. Also, most of the time when JEK is teasing someone, it’s lighthearted…you can see it in their faces even if it’s idiotic and people do take offense to it. But when you see Frank, Laurel, etc. do it you can see it in their faces that it’s coming from an angry place where they’re actually trying to hurt someone.
Well JEK isn't too loved around here. I really don't see them as being worse then Frank though, they've never been drunk beligerent cowards. Unless you're refering to the Tonya incident I just don't see it. I found Frank on BotS to be just as bad as backpack from the Island.
He definitely did seem to be improving just as he "retired" though so thts unfortunate.
It's not just JEK that I'm talking about. Paula, Jenn, Evelyn, were all awful too. I'll throw in Camilla too. Cara Maria as well(Although to a lesser extent). And Laurel.
I think JEK are the only comparable ones to Frank. Frank was vile on Seasons 2, I mean relentless. Degrading Sam, trashtalking Nany's personal life, his whole "im not gonna be made out to look like a crazy person", the Alton/Zito fights. It gives Bananas a run for his money on the Island.
I'm biased because I can't stand JEK (especially Kenny), but they were really awful on the Ruins not only to Tonya, but the women in general. At least Frank said what he said because he was provoked (not all the times though), but JEK did it because they were bored and wanted some entertainment. I'm glad we won't ever see Kenny or Evan back, and I hope Bananas retires soon (at least he is the more tolerable from the three).
JEK, as dumb and juvenile are they are (and alleged Tonya incident aside) have only really participated in stupid dude-bro insults and pranks. This one is fat, this one is a loser, let’s pour some baby powder on this one, let’s stick feathers on this one. I’d bet you couldn’t find a sound bite from Johnny, Evan, or Kenny saying anything close to Frank talking about Nany’s sister’s heroin addiction. Now, I don’t mind Frank now, and that was in retaliation to some pretty shitty comments from Nany, but none of JEK has ever said something like that. The closest thing is Johnny making fun of Jordan’s hand, which I still don’t think is in the same league as talking about someone’s family member’s substance abuse issues. Also, most of the time when JEK is teasing someone, it’s lighthearted…you can see it in their faces even if it’s idiotic and people do take offense to it. But when you see Frank, Laurel, etc. do it you can see it in their faces that it’s coming from an angry place where they’re actually trying to hurt someone.
So Johnny treating Evelyn and Kellyanne like shit On The island was just Dude-Bro Pranks? Evan calling Britnni a Stupid *****(or whatever he said to her) During the Duel 2 Final was Dude Bro Pranks? Them ******* with the girls(especially Tonya) on The Ruins was just Dude-Bro Pranks? Nope. I call BS on that. Frank may have said some awful shit but JEK have DONE horrible shit. They have disrepected people and gone too far too many times. Those Idiots(and some of their little friends) are far worse than Frank ever was. Why do they get a pass for their **** but Frank Doesn't? I think part of it is because he is part of the new generation. Frank isn't one of the old-school vets that everyone clings to. He's new and people don't like the new generation(because they're so used to the oldies) So because of that he gets ****ed on alot. I may be wrong but I do believe that that plays a part in it.
Frank quit bc he did not like how edits made him always a bad guy. Thats why everybody disliked/dislikes him.
If you watch interviews, personal social sites, all people say he is really good friend and has an amazing heart. I think in the challenge he just plays the game.
Also, he is one of the srongest male from new cast and always performs amazingly.
I am so sad he quit, I really like him and I want to see him back ASAP
JEK, as dumb and juvenile are they are (and alleged Tonya incident aside) have only really participated in stupid dude-bro insults and pranks. This one is fat, this one is a loser, let’s pour some baby powder on this one, let’s stick feathers on this one. I’d bet you couldn’t find a sound bite from Johnny, Evan, or Kenny saying anything close to Frank talking about Nany’s sister’s heroin addiction. Now, I don’t mind Frank now, and that was in retaliation to some pretty shitty comments from Nany, but none of JEK has ever said something like that. The closest thing is Johnny making fun of Jordan’s hand, which I still don’t think is in the same league as talking about someone’s family member’s substance abuse issues. Also, most of the time when JEK is teasing someone, it’s lighthearted…you can see it in their faces even if it’s idiotic and people do take offense to it. But when you see Frank, Laurel, etc. do it you can see it in their faces that it’s coming from an angry place where they’re actually trying to hurt someone.
So Johnny treating Evelyn and Kellyanne like shit On The island was just Dude-Bro Pranks? Evan calling Britnni a Stupid *****(or whatever he said to her) During the Duel 2 Final was Dude Bro Pranks? Them ******* with the girls(especially Tonya) on The Ruins was just Dude-Bro Pranks? Nope. I call BS on that. Frank may have said some awful shit but JEK have DONE horrible shit. They have disrepected people and gone too far too many times. Those Idiots(and some of their little friends) are far worse than Frank ever was. Why do they get a pass for their **** but Frank Doesn't? I think part of it is because he is part of the new generation. Frank isn't one of the old-school vets that everyone clings to. He's new and people don't like the new generation(because they're so used to the oldies) So because of that he gets ****ed on alot. I may be wrong but I do believe that that plays a part in it.
JEK are horrible people there's no doubting that, Frank is just as bad. Frank attacks whatever someone is insurance about like Jemmyes looks or Dustin's ****. Frank crossed the line completely by bringing up Nany's sister And her drug addition. JEK well downright awful people don't bring it to a personal level like Frank does
Frank says things to hurt you he's not having fun with it like they are JEK like to have fun and mess with people because it's all a big joke to them. Frank on the other hand says things to break you down, he wants you to cry. None of them deserve a pass, and pretty much nobody here gives them one.
The only people that to my knowledge hate Frank are Nany and Dustin (though I don't really think they are in bad terms anymore). If almost everyone from the cast loves him, you know there's something wrong with the editing.
JEK are downright terrible. You know how bad the girls were treated that season when the only people who have returned from that season are Sarah, Katie, Evelyn and Diem. Being bored doesn't justified their treatment towards them.
JEK are downright terrible. You know how bad the girls were treated that season when the only people who have returned from that season are Sarah, Katie, Evelyn and Diem. Being bored doesn't justified their treatment towards them.
That's an overstatement and those two things don't necessarily have anything to do with each other. Of the other girls at least one of them is still close friends with Susie, Johanna, and Ibis. Shauvon has been back. Kellyanne and Casey have both been slated to come back but for various reasons haven't. They likely chased off Veronica and we all know the Tonya business and who knows with Kim.
I still maintain calling a girl a dumb *****, which is terrible, is still a generic ******* kind of thing to say and in no way comparable to going at someone's family member's drug problems or saying they look like a meth head or whatever he said to Jemmye. Nor have I seen them shoving a girl around like Frank did with Sam. There's a difference between trying to be funny and not knowing when enough is enough and legitimately trying to hurt someone from jump.
JEK are downright terrible. You know how bad the girls were treated that season when the only people who have returned from that season are Sarah, Katie, Evelyn and Diem. Being bored doesn't justified their treatment towards them.
That's an overstatement and those two things don't necessarily have anything to do with each other. Of the other girls at least one of them is still close friends with Susie, Johanna, and Ibis. Shauvon has been back. Kellyanne and Casey have both been slated to come back but for various reasons haven't. They likely chased off Veronica and we all know the Tonya business and who knows with Kim.
I still maintain calling a girl a dumb *****, which is terrible, is still a generic ******* kind of thing to say and in no way comparable to going at someone's family member's drug problems or saying they look like a meth head or whatever he said to Jemmye. Nor have I seen them shoving a girl around like Frank did with Sam. There's a difference between trying to be funny and not knowing when enough is enough and legitimately trying to hurt someone from jump.
Didn't Backpack push Evelyn on The Ruins?
And I don't believe for a second that what Backpack did on the Island was just "playing around" He was vicious and meant every word of it. He's awful.
JEK are downright terrible. You know how bad the girls were treated that season when the only people who have returned from that season are Sarah, Katie, Evelyn and Diem. Being bored doesn't justified their treatment towards them.
That's an overstatement and those two things don't necessarily have anything to do with each other. Of the other girls at least one of them is still close friends with Susie, Johanna, and Ibis. Shauvon has been back. Kellyanne and Casey have both been slated to come back but for various reasons haven't. They likely chased off Veronica and we all know the Tonya business and who knows with Kim.
I still maintain calling a girl a dumb *****, which is terrible, is still a generic ******* kind of thing to say and in no way comparable to going at someone's family member's drug problems or saying they look like a meth head or whatever he said to Jemmye. Nor have I seen them shoving a girl around like Frank did with Sam. There's a difference between trying to be funny and not knowing when enough is enough and legitimately trying to hurt someone from jump.
Didn't Backpack push Evelyn on The Ruins?
And I don't believe for a second that what Backpack did on the Island was just "playing around" He was vicious and meant every word of it. He's awful.
C'mon man...you're much smarter than that. Johnny bumping Evelyn back away from him while she's screaming in his face and threatening him is nowhere near the same as grabbing her and shoving her to the ground while she's just trying to compete like Frank did with Sam. It's not even close.
And I make no excuses for Johnny on the Island. He was a dipshit. But he still, at his worst, was nowhere near regular levels of Frank in what he's willing to say to someone. And again calling someone a *****, or dumb, or a loser isn't malicious. It's idiotic and for the most part these people are adults and can likely shrug it off even though at the time it probably sucks. Most of the people that Johnny said that to (Kellyanne, Robin, Evelyn) all were friends or friendly within their next couple challenges with him. The shit that Frank says is calculated to make the person he's fighting with suffer...pretty sure Nany hasn't forgiven him for any of it.
JEK are downright terrible. You know how bad the girls were treated that season when the only people who have returned from that season are Sarah, Katie, Evelyn and Diem. Being bored doesn't justified their treatment towards them.
That's an overstatement and those two things don't necessarily have anything to do with each other. Of the other girls at least one of them is still close friends with Susie, Johanna, and Ibis. Shauvon has been back. Kellyanne and Casey have both been slated to come back but for various reasons haven't. They likely chased off Veronica and we all know the Tonya business and who knows with Kim.
I still maintain calling a girl a dumb *****, which is terrible, is still a generic ******* kind of thing to say and in no way comparable to going at someone's family member's drug problems or saying they look like a meth head or whatever he said to Jemmye. Nor have I seen them shoving a girl around like Frank did with Sam. There's a difference between trying to be funny and not knowing when enough is enough and legitimately trying to hurt someone from jump.
Didn't Backpack push Evelyn on The Ruins?
And I don't believe for a second that what Backpack did on the Island was just "playing around" He was vicious and meant every word of it. He's awful.
lol you should rewatch that episode cuz Evelyn deserved it. she was screaming in his face for the dumb reason that he voted Kellyanne to go against her.
JEK are downright terrible. You know how bad the girls were treated that season when the only people who have returned from that season are Sarah, Katie, Evelyn and Diem. Being bored doesn't justified their treatment towards them.
That's an overstatement and those two things don't necessarily have anything to do with each other. Of the other girls at least one of them is still close friends with Susie, Johanna, and Ibis. Shauvon has been back. Kellyanne and Casey have both been slated to come back but for various reasons haven't. They likely chased off Veronica and we all know the Tonya business and who knows with Kim.
I still maintain calling a girl a dumb *****, which is terrible, is still a generic ******* kind of thing to say and in no way comparable to going at someone's family member's drug problems or saying they look like a meth head or whatever he said to Jemmye. Nor have I seen them shoving a girl around like Frank did with Sam. There's a difference between trying to be funny and not knowing when enough is enough and legitimately trying to hurt someone from jump.
Didn't Backpack push Evelyn on The Ruins?
And I don't believe for a second that what Backpack did on the Island was just "playing around" He was vicious and meant every word of it. He's awful.
lol you should rewatch that episode cuz Evelyn deserved it. she was screaming in his face for the dumb reason that he voted Kellyanne to go against her.
Basically, I mean don't get me wrong, the whole Wes and Ev vs. their team was great, but Johnny was just trying to get some space and she was yelling right in his face.
JEK are downright terrible. You know how bad the girls were treated that season when the only people who have returned from that season are Sarah, Katie, Evelyn and Diem. Being bored doesn't justified their treatment towards them.
That's an overstatement and those two things don't necessarily have anything to do with each other. Of the other girls at least one of them is still close friends with Susie, Johanna, and Ibis. Shauvon has been back. Kellyanne and Casey have both been slated to come back but for various reasons haven't. They likely chased off Veronica and we all know the Tonya business and who knows with Kim.
I still maintain calling a girl a dumb *****, which is terrible, is still a generic ******* kind of thing to say and in no way comparable to going at someone's family member's drug problems or saying they look like a meth head or whatever he said to Jemmye. Nor have I seen them shoving a girl around like Frank did with Sam. There's a difference between trying to be funny and not knowing when enough is enough and legitimately trying to hurt someone from jump.
Didn't Backpack push Evelyn on The Ruins?
And I don't believe for a second that what Backpack did on the Island was just "playing around" He was vicious and meant every word of it. He's awful.
C'mon man...you're much smarter than that. Johnny bumping Evelyn back away from him while she's screaming in his face and threatening him is nowhere near the same as grabbing her and shoving her to the ground while she's just trying to compete like Frank did with Sam. It's not even close.
And I make no excuses for Johnny on the Island. He was a dipshit. But he still, at his worst, was nowhere near regular levels of Frank in what he's willing to say to someone. And again calling someone a *****, or dumb, or a loser isn't malicious. It's idiotic and for the most part these people are adults and can likely shrug it off even though at the time it probably sucks. Most of the people that Johnny said that to (Kellyanne, Robin, Evelyn) all were friends or friendly within their next couple challenges with him. The shit that Frank says is calculated to make the person he's fighting with suffer...pretty sure Nany hasn't forgiven him for any of it.
Those things CAN be melicious. Not everyone likes being called those names. You're basically saying they should just take it. That's not cool. And I don't see what them being friendly to backpack later has aything to do with it. That doesn't make what he said to them okay. I think you're just excusing his behavior.(even though you said you aren't).
And does it really matter if Nany forgave him? She said some ****** up things to him too so she was just as wrong. Don''t dish it if you can't take it.
JEK are downright terrible. You know how bad the girls were treated that season when the only people who have returned from that season are Sarah, Katie, Evelyn and Diem. Being bored doesn't justified their treatment towards them.
That's an overstatement and those two things don't necessarily have anything to do with each other. Of the other girls at least one of them is still close friends with Susie, Johanna, and Ibis. Shauvon has been back. Kellyanne and Casey have both been slated to come back but for various reasons haven't. They likely chased off Veronica and we all know the Tonya business and who knows with Kim.
I still maintain calling a girl a dumb *****, which is terrible, is still a generic ******* kind of thing to say and in no way comparable to going at someone's family member's drug problems or saying they look like a meth head or whatever he said to Jemmye. Nor have I seen them shoving a girl around like Frank did with Sam. There's a difference between trying to be funny and not knowing when enough is enough and legitimately trying to hurt someone from jump.
Didn't Backpack push Evelyn on The Ruins?
And I don't believe for a second that what Backpack did on the Island was just "playing around" He was vicious and meant every word of it. He's awful.
C'mon man...you're much smarter than that. Johnny bumping Evelyn back away from him while she's screaming in his face and threatening him is nowhere near the same as grabbing her and shoving her to the ground while she's just trying to compete like Frank did with Sam. It's not even close.
And I make no excuses for Johnny on the Island. He was a dipshit. But he still, at his worst, was nowhere near regular levels of Frank in what he's willing to say to someone. And again calling someone a *****, or dumb, or a loser isn't malicious. It's idiotic and for the most part these people are adults and can likely shrug it off even though at the time it probably sucks. Most of the people that Johnny said that to (Kellyanne, Robin, Evelyn) all were friends or friendly within their next couple challenges with him. The shit that Frank says is calculated to make the person he's fighting with suffer...pretty sure Nany hasn't forgiven him for any of it.
Don't forget the way that he lunged at Priscilla in the car on their original season like he was going to attack her. I can't stand JEK, especially Kenny and Evan, but Frank truly can be a very evil and intentionally vitriolic human being. JEK are more along the lines of stupid, ignorant idiots that try to make funny jokes don't realize that their jokes can be offensive and hurtful. Frank knows what he's saying and says it with that exact goal(of hurting another) in mind. Frank hasn't really been on that many seasons anyways, so the fact that we are comparing his offenses to JEK(collectively, as a group!)'s is pretty telling in itself. I actually think it's a good idea to stay away from the TV for his own sake of revealing a much uglier side than we have already seen, if that's eve possible.
That said I don't think JEK are crazy. More immature and idiotic than anything...Frakn on the other hand I believe is legitimately unhinged.
JEK are downright terrible. You know how bad the girls were treated that season when the only people who have returned from that season are Sarah, Katie, Evelyn and Diem. Being bored doesn't justified their treatment towards them.
That's an overstatement and those two things don't necessarily have anything to do with each other. Of the other girls at least one of them is still close friends with Susie, Johanna, and Ibis. Shauvon has been back. Kellyanne and Casey have both been slated to come back but for various reasons haven't. They likely chased off Veronica and we all know the Tonya business and who knows with Kim.
I still maintain calling a girl a dumb *****, which is terrible, is still a generic ******* kind of thing to say and in no way comparable to going at someone's family member's drug problems or saying they look like a meth head or whatever he said to Jemmye. Nor have I seen them shoving a girl around like Frank did with Sam. There's a difference between trying to be funny and not knowing when enough is enough and legitimately trying to hurt someone from jump.
Didn't Backpack push Evelyn on The Ruins?
And I don't believe for a second that what Backpack did on the Island was just "playing around" He was vicious and meant every word of it. He's awful.
C'mon man...you're much smarter than that. Johnny bumping Evelyn back away from him while she's screaming in his face and threatening him is nowhere near the same as grabbing her and shoving her to the ground while she's just trying to compete like Frank did with Sam. It's not even close.
And I make no excuses for Johnny on the Island. He was a dipshit. But he still, at his worst, was nowhere near regular levels of Frank in what he's willing to say to someone. And again calling someone a *****, or dumb, or a loser isn't malicious. It's idiotic and for the most part these people are adults and can likely shrug it off even though at the time it probably sucks. Most of the people that Johnny said that to (Kellyanne, Robin, Evelyn) all were friends or friendly within their next couple challenges with him. The shit that Frank says is calculated to make the person he's fighting with suffer...pretty sure Nany hasn't forgiven him for any of it.
Don't forget the way that he lunged at Priscilla in the car on their original season like he was going to attack her. I can't stand JEK, especially Kenny and Evan, but Frank truly can be a very evil and intentionally vitriolic human being. JEK are more along the lines of stupid, ignorant idiots that try to make funny jokes don't realize that their jokes can be offensive and hurtful. Frank knows what he's saying and says it with that exact goal(of hurting another) in mind. Frank hasn't really been on that many seasons anyways, so the fact that we are comparing his offenses to JEK(collectively, as a group!)'s is pretty telling in itself. I actually think it's a good idea to stay away from the TV for his own sake of revealing a much uglier side than we have already seen, if that's eve possible.
That said I don't think JEK are crazy. More immature and idiotic than anything...Frakn on the other hand I believe is legitimately unhinged.
I doubt he's unhinged. I think he just goes too far sometimes..Just like JEK.
Both Frank and JEK are horrible people, the difference is Frank says things to hurt you and break you down. JEK says things to be funny and then don't realize it's offensive.
I despised him on his RW season and on BOTS, but now he is on my top 5 favorite males ever.
And I was actually surprised that Emily(DC) was one of the few people from her seasons that did challenges. I always thought that Ashley and Erika would've been the Female challenge regualrs of that season.
Why? Emily said she was a adrenaline junkie, and loved doing things like rock climbing and stuff. I'm not shocked Erika wasn't on the challenge she doesn't seem like she'd like doing missions or being targeted by veterans.
She said that? I don't remember.
She just didn't seem like she would do a challenge to me.
I have learned to like Frank but I didn't enjoy watching him be so mean to his fellow San Diego castmates on BOTS2.
I have always enjoyed Kennys cocky attitude because I do find him so beautiful. He seems like an *** on TV but he totally gets away with it for me.
I have just loved Evan from FM because he was Corals partner and they honestly kicked *** until he got a hernia. I felt like that challenge could have been theirs and so he will always have a soft spot in my heart. I love how Canadian and funny he is. I wanted landon to win the duel 2 because obviously he dominated but I was also super happy that Evan did!
As for bananas well... I didn't start liking him until Free Agents... I have always found him funny... But he has never been one of my favorites and I have never rooted for him in past challenges.
What exactly don't you understand about the Frank hate? Seems more then justified after watching BotS and RR:SD2.
She said it on the first episode, she was talking about it and Andrew lied saying he is too and he's skydived and rock climbs. Then his confessional was like " I've never done any of that
Oh..I haven't seen that season since it aired so I forgot all about that.
I get why people dislike him but my point is is that there are people who are 10X worse that Frank ever was yet people LOVE them. That's the part I never got.
Well JEK isn't too loved around here. I really don't see them as being worse then Frank though, they've never been drunk beligerent cowards. Unless you're refering to the Tonya incident I just don't see it. I found Frank on BotS to be just as bad as backpack from the Island.
He definitely did seem to be improving just as he "retired" though so thts unfortunate.
It's not just JEK that I'm talking about. Paula, Jenn, Evelyn, were all awful too. I'll throw in Camilla too. Cara Maria as well(Although to a lesser extent). And Laurel.
JEK, as dumb and juvenile are they are (and alleged Tonya incident aside) have only really participated in stupid dude-bro insults and pranks. This one is fat, this one is a loser, let’s pour some baby powder on this one, let’s stick feathers on this one. I’d bet you couldn’t find a sound bite from Johnny, Evan, or Kenny saying anything close to Frank talking about Nany’s sister’s heroin addiction. Now, I don’t mind Frank now, and that was in retaliation to some pretty shitty comments from Nany, but none of JEK has ever said something like that. The closest thing is Johnny making fun of Jordan’s hand, which I still don’t think is in the same league as talking about someone’s family member’s substance abuse issues. Also, most of the time when JEK is teasing someone, it’s lighthearted…you can see it in their faces even if it’s idiotic and people do take offense to it. But when you see Frank, Laurel, etc. do it you can see it in their faces that it’s coming from an angry place where they’re actually trying to hurt someone.
I think JEK are the only comparable ones to Frank. Frank was vile on Seasons 2, I mean relentless. Degrading Sam, trashtalking Nany's personal life, his whole "im not gonna be made out to look like a crazy person", the Alton/Zito fights. It gives Bananas a run for his money on the Island.
I'm biased because I can't stand JEK (especially Kenny), but they were really awful on the Ruins not only to Tonya, but the women in general. At least Frank said what he said because he was provoked (not all the times though), but JEK did it because they were bored and wanted some entertainment. I'm glad we won't ever see Kenny or Evan back, and I hope Bananas retires soon (at least he is the more tolerable from the three).
So Johnny treating Evelyn and Kellyanne like shit On The island was just Dude-Bro Pranks? Evan calling Britnni a Stupid *****(or whatever he said to her) During the Duel 2 Final was Dude Bro Pranks? Them ******* with the girls(especially Tonya) on The Ruins was just Dude-Bro Pranks? Nope. I call BS on that. Frank may have said some awful shit but JEK have DONE horrible shit. They have disrepected people and gone too far too many times. Those Idiots(and some of their little friends) are far worse than Frank ever was. Why do they get a pass for their **** but Frank Doesn't? I think part of it is because he is part of the new generation. Frank isn't one of the old-school vets that everyone clings to. He's new and people don't like the new generation(because they're so used to the oldies) So because of that he gets ****ed on alot. I may be wrong but I do believe that that plays a part in it.
Frank quit bc he did not like how edits made him always a bad guy. Thats why everybody disliked/dislikes him.
If you watch interviews, personal social sites, all people say he is really good friend and has an amazing heart. I think in the challenge he just plays the game.
Also, he is one of the srongest male from new cast and always performs amazingly.
I am so sad he quit, I really like him and I want to see him back ASAP
JEK are horrible people there's no doubting that, Frank is just as bad. Frank attacks whatever someone is insurance about like Jemmyes looks or Dustin's ****. Frank crossed the line completely by bringing up Nany's sister And her drug addition. JEK well downright awful people don't bring it to a personal level like Frank does
Frank says things to hurt you he's not having fun with it like they are JEK like to have fun and mess with people because it's all a big joke to them. Frank on the other hand says things to break you down, he wants you to cry. None of them deserve a pass, and pretty much nobody here gives them one.
The only people that to my knowledge hate Frank are Nany and Dustin (though I don't really think they are in bad terms anymore). If almost everyone from the cast loves him, you know there's something wrong with the editing.
JEK are downright terrible. You know how bad the girls were treated that season when the only people who have returned from that season are Sarah, Katie, Evelyn and Diem. Being bored doesn't justified their treatment towards them.
That's an overstatement and those two things don't necessarily have anything to do with each other. Of the other girls at least one of them is still close friends with Susie, Johanna, and Ibis. Shauvon has been back. Kellyanne and Casey have both been slated to come back but for various reasons haven't. They likely chased off Veronica and we all know the Tonya business and who knows with Kim.
I still maintain calling a girl a dumb *****, which is terrible, is still a generic ******* kind of thing to say and in no way comparable to going at someone's family member's drug problems or saying they look like a meth head or whatever he said to Jemmye. Nor have I seen them shoving a girl around like Frank did with Sam. There's a difference between trying to be funny and not knowing when enough is enough and legitimately trying to hurt someone from jump.
Didn't Backpack push Evelyn on The Ruins?
And I don't believe for a second that what Backpack did on the Island was just "playing around" He was vicious and meant every word of it. He's awful.
C'mon man...you're much smarter than that. Johnny bumping Evelyn back away from him while she's screaming in his face and threatening him is nowhere near the same as grabbing her and shoving her to the ground while she's just trying to compete like Frank did with Sam. It's not even close.
And I make no excuses for Johnny on the Island. He was a dipshit. But he still, at his worst, was nowhere near regular levels of Frank in what he's willing to say to someone. And again calling someone a *****, or dumb, or a loser isn't malicious. It's idiotic and for the most part these people are adults and can likely shrug it off even though at the time it probably sucks. Most of the people that Johnny said that to (Kellyanne, Robin, Evelyn) all were friends or friendly within their next couple challenges with him. The shit that Frank says is calculated to make the person he's fighting with suffer...pretty sure Nany hasn't forgiven him for any of it.
Yeah Shuavon sucks she'd probably quit again anyway
lol you should rewatch that episode cuz Evelyn deserved it. she was screaming in his face for the dumb reason that he voted Kellyanne to go against her.
Basically, I mean don't get me wrong, the whole Wes and Ev vs. their team was great, but Johnny was just trying to get some space and she was yelling right in his face.
Those things CAN be melicious. Not everyone likes being called those names. You're basically saying they should just take it. That's not cool. And I don't see what them being friendly to backpack later has aything to do with it. That doesn't make what he said to them okay. I think you're just excusing his behavior.(even though you said you aren't).
And does it really matter if Nany forgave him? She said some ****** up things to him too so she was just as wrong. Don''t dish it if you can't take it.
Don't forget the way that he lunged at Priscilla in the car on their original season like he was going to attack her. I can't stand JEK, especially Kenny and Evan, but Frank truly can be a very evil and intentionally vitriolic human being. JEK are more along the lines of stupid, ignorant idiots that try to make funny jokes don't realize that their jokes can be offensive and hurtful. Frank knows what he's saying and says it with that exact goal(of hurting another) in mind. Frank hasn't really been on that many seasons anyways, so the fact that we are comparing his offenses to JEK(collectively, as a group!)'s is pretty telling in itself. I actually think it's a good idea to stay away from the TV for his own sake of revealing a much uglier side than we have already seen, if that's eve possible.
That said I don't think JEK are crazy. More immature and idiotic than anything...Frakn on the other hand I believe is legitimately unhinged.
I doubt he's unhinged. I think he just goes too far sometimes..Just like JEK.
Both Frank and JEK are horrible people, the difference is Frank says things to hurt you and break you down. JEK says things to be funny and then don't realize it's offensive.
I think Wes would have won the fight between him and Darrell if they got into it. Wes was a psycho.
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