The Duel II: Spoiler Discussion

No, I totally understand V that they are all playing. I am just trying to show why I think Evan gets more heat. By the way, what are OTF's?

[QUOTE=Dartagnan;76421]No, I totally understand V that they are all playing. I am just trying to show why I think Evan gets more heat. By the way, what are OTF's?[/QUOTE] Interviews in the field on mission and duel days are called OTFs (on the fly).

Thanks for the update. :)

I know that V1, I am just wondering why Mark and Brad aren't getting the flack like Evan does. I'm talking more along the lines of the stuff that is posted here. "Evan is such a snake!!!" LOL, what did he do on the Duel 2 that is snakish? Go in two duels?

[QUOTE=tjhallow;76426]I know that V1, I am just wondering why Mark and Brad aren't getting the flack like Evan does. I'm talking more along the lines of the stuff that is posted here. "Evan is such a snake!!!" LOL, what did he do on the Duel 2 that is snakish? Go in two duels?[/QUOTE] It's pointless. The people you are complaining about are reacting to an artificial situation. Evan may be acting like a snake, but, if so, he's written himself a very believable script.

[quote=tjhallow;76426]I know that V1, I am just wondering why Mark and Brad aren't getting the flack like Evan does. I'm talking more along the lines of the stuff that is posted here. "Evan is such a snake!!!" LOL, what did he do on the Duel 2 that is snakish? Go in two duels?[/quote] Exactly. I just have no tolerance for the people who use others to further themselves and then act like they are saints. At least Evan [I]admits[/I] to his game play, his decisions, his failures, his back stabbings, and that he could of done more for particular people. He has been in two duels with two more to come. If anybody, at least he proved himself. Love him or hate him, I can atleast say I respect him. To me, the only people in this game that I can respect is the upfront, in your face, winners - Evan, and even Aneesa. I have more respect for Aneesa than I ever will for Rachel, because Aneesa goes into the duels, and produces. She beats people. She may not have the endurance to win and that sucks for the final challenge, but atleast she can say she beat this person, and this person, etc. The little coasters, I will call them, are the people who annoy me the most. The Brad and Rachels, even Tori. Since when did Brad become this ultimate, great, feared competitor? But again, shame on Dunbar, Dereck, Mj, and the eliminated cast who did not choose wisely. Maybe their outcome would of been different.

I guess the question is what is worse. The cocky muscular guy with a lot of screen time who tells you he will do [I]whatever[/I] he can to win or the "humble" friendly and seemingly loyal sweetheart who has been coasting through a season long challenge producing average results (never outstanding but just good enough) who is just as bad of a conspirator as Mr. Cocky. Fact is, you do not know about it. I'd say the latter is worse.

[quote=tjhallow;76407]I think that is why he gets more heat on here. If even had less confessionals, no one would say anything. I don't get it. Evan annoyed me to no end on Gauntlet 3, all cocky and sexist but I just don't see what he's doing wrong to get all the hate on the Duel 2.[/quote] Exactly TJ the point is why does he need to say everything?

[quote=Zachary;76436]Exactly TJ the point is why does he need to say everything?[/quote] Because he can. And the fact is, someone, somewhere appreciates Evan's commentary because it is more entertaining than more than half of the other cast contestants.

[quote=tjhallow;76403]If your talking about screwing over Paul, that's her fault. She picked Dunbar, when she was supposed to pick MJ.[/quote] I may be in the minority, but I was really not bothered by what Paula did. Yikes, I know. Not that I'm a fan of Paula's at all anymore. But one of the things bothering me most about this game is how robotic "the list" is (though it takes more than one person to go along with the list o' doom). I don't recall whether she actually agreed to pick MJ or not, and I don't know if she [I]really[/I] changed the order because she thought she was saving Evan. But more curveballs like that might have been more fun to watch. I don't think alliances are despicable gameplay or outside of the rules, (as much as I'd love to see them broken up more effectively) so I don't find Evan, Mark or Brad in the wrong for at least [I]having[/I] one. If they used their alliance and positions in the game to treat people in as badly as Johnny and Paula did on that last "challenge" (The Island wasn't real, was it? :(), that would be different. Anyway, about Brad. He seems as though he was very aware of the fact that it's always a possibility of going into the Duel. He isn't someone I expect to see crying and whining about it with a "Why me?!" attitude about going in. I get the sentiment of wanting to see people fight for their spot to stay, and having to go into a Duel to defend your spot and whatnot. But why risk elimination just to prove that point? I'd love to see him win one, but if he was never left last and nobody picked him...I don't think it makes him a horrible person or competitor. Unless he actually sits back and does not even [I]attempt[/I] to win challenges because he "knows" he's safe.

[QUOTE=frakntoaster;76439]I may be in the minority, but I was really not bothered by what Paula did. Yikes, I know. Not that I'm a fan of Paula's at all anymore. But one of the things bothering me most about this game is how robotic "the list" is (though it takes more than one person to go along with the list o' doom). I don't recall whether she actually agreed to pick MJ or not, and I don't know if she [I]really[/I] changed the order because she thought she was saving Evan. But more curveballs like that might have been more fun to watch. I don't think alliances are despicable gameplay or outside of the rules, (as much as I'd love to see them broken up more effectively) so I don't find Evan, Mark or Brad in the wrong for at least [I]having[/I] one. If they used their alliance and positions in the game to treat people in as badly as Johnny and Paula did on that last "challenge" (The Island wasn't real, was it? :(), that would be different. Anyway, about Brad. He seems as though he was very aware of the fact that it's always a possibility of going into the Duel. He isn't someone I expect to see crying and whining about it with a "Why me?!" attitude about going in. I get the sentiment of wanting to see people fight for their spot to stay, and having to go into a Duel to defend your spot and whatnot. But why risk elimination just to prove that point? I'd love to see him win one, but if he was never left last and nobody picked him...I don't think it makes him a horrible person or competitor. Unless he actually sits back and does not even [I]attempt[/I] to win challenges because he "knows" he's safe.[/QUOTE] Brad is fully aware in every waking moment that he is on a TV show. It is one of the reasons he is such a likable character to so many people. He knows when to appear worried and vulnerable. At the Duel Reunion taping he talked at length about Beth being so good for MTV's ratings because of her ability to play the role needed; but, he was also talking about himself in the same context. When you see the final episode, I'll be expecting many, "Oh, Brad, we feel your pain" comments here at vevmo. And I'll probably say, "And the Oscar goes to..."

[quote=V1man;76444]Brad is fully aware in every waking moment that he is on a TV show. It is one of the reasons he is such a likable character to so many people. He knows when to appear worried and vulnerable. At the Duel Reunion taping he talked at length about Beth being so good for MTV's ratings because of her ability to play the role needed; but, he was also talking about himself in the same context. When you see the final episode, I'll be expecting many, "Oh, Brad, we feel your pain" comments here at vevmo. And I'll probably say, "And the Oscar goes to..."[/quote] This makes me dislike him even more. I'd say my opinion of him was at its' highest when he let The Miz give him an underwear necklace, and I can at least thank Brad for providing..."Congratulations, you a meathead son, but you know what... don't you ever put your **** hands on my underwear". With these challenges, I guess it might be that I expect too much. I expect these powerhouse males to constantly be dueling each other and fighting to stay. Fact is, it is rarely fighting to stay. It is who you know and who picks you (atleast in Duel I and Duel II). So while it is not truly his fault entirely for his situation thus far on the Duel II, my opinion of him is forced to be 'Just Good' at best. That is all I have to go on. He hasn't won an individual challenges (yet), and his collected, friends with everyone manner obviously is enabling his coasting to the final. I wonder if the eliminated players wish they could of changed their Duel picks, it would interesting to read.

[quote=V1man;76444]Brad is fully aware in every waking moment that he is on a TV show. It is one of the reasons he is such a likable character to so many people. He knows when to appear worried and vulnerable. At the Duel Reunion taping he talked at length about Beth being so good for MTV's ratings because of her ability to play the role needed; but, he was also talking about himself in the same context. When you see the final episode, I'll be expecting many, "Oh, Brad, we feel your pain" comments here at vevmo. And I'll probably say, "And the Oscar goes to..."[/quote] :laugh4:

[QUOTE=LCbaby;76447]This makes me dislike him even more. I'd say my opinion of him was at its' highest when he let The Miz give him an underwear necklace, and I can at least thank Brad for providing..."Congratulations, you a meathead son, but you know what... don't you ever put your **** hands on my underwear". With these challenges, I guess it might be that I expect too much. I expect these powerhouse males to constantly be dueling each other and fighting to stay. Fact is, it is rarely fighting to stay. It is who you know and who picks you (atleast in Duel I and Duel II). So while it is not truly his fault entirely for his situation thus far on the Duel II, my opinion of him is forced to be 'Just Good' at best. That is all I have to go on. He hasn't won an individual challenges (yet), and his collected, friends with everyone manner obviously is enabling his coasting to the final. I wonder if the eliminated players wish they could of changed their Duel picks, it would interesting to read.[/QUOTE] He is a fan favorite and a cast favorite. Frankly, if more people on the challenges actually had a F*&$ing brain and remembered they were making a TV show, they would make better choices. Brad plays nearly to perfection the hand he is given. His is the attitude that every cast member should take into the challenges.

[QUOTE=V1man;76454]He is a fan favorite and a cast favorite. Frankly, if more people on the challenges actually had a F*&$ing brain and remembered they were making a TV show, they would make better choices. Brad plays nearly to perfection the hand he is given. His is the attitude that every cast member should take into the challenges.[/QUOTE] Agreed. Cast members would gain more respect if they followed Brad's approach.

[quote=dplayer18;76470]Agreed. Cast members would gain more respect if they followed Brad's approach.[/quote] Which cast members are you referring to in terms of needing to gain respect? For argument's sake, maybe certain cast members value being themselves and staying true to who they are as a person rather than painting on some pretend face and being this person in front of the camera when they are different in real life. I have no idea how Brad is outside of reality television. I do know that he is kind of boring on the Duel II - Why? Maybe it is his edit, maybe because he has grown up from the partying days of his RW season or the fact that he is in a long term relationship. So this visage he wears for the camera isn't entertaining to me; I am sure the only benefit from it is that he is cast as a fan favorite and is so likable. I guess I am a minority in the "I don't really like Brad" fan club. I am thankful that Evan is here to entertain me, jerk or not.

[quote=LCbaby;76437]Because he can. And the fact is, someone, somewhere appreciates Evan's commentary because it is more entertaining than more than half of the other cast contestants.[/quote] OMG I love you! LOL.

[quote=frakntoaster;76439]I may be in the minority, but I was really not bothered by what Paula did. Yikes, I know. Not that I'm a fan of Paula's at all anymore. But one of the things bothering me most about this game is how robotic "the list" is (though it takes more than one person to go along with the list o' doom). I don't recall whether she actually agreed to pick MJ or not, and I don't know if she [I]really[/I] changed the order because she thought she was saving Evan. But more curveballs like that might have been more fun to watch. [/quote] I didn't see anything wrong with her picking Dummybear either. I'm just saying, that is the only evidence of him being a "snake" that has been shown in the episodes. Him not being loyal to Paula was seen a shady thing, but then again its Paula. My point is--what else has he done?

[QUOTE=LCbaby;76484]Which cast members are you referring to in terms of needing to gain respect? For argument's sake, maybe certain cast members value being themselves and staying true to who they are as a person rather than painting on some pretend face and being this person in front of the camera when they are different in real life. I have no idea how Brad is outside of reality television. I do know that he is kind of boring on the Duel II - Why? Maybe it is his edit, maybe because he has grown up from the partying days of his RW season or the fact that he is in a long term relationship. So this visage he wears for the camera isn't entertaining to me; I am sure the only benefit from it is that he is cast as a fan favorite and is so likable. I guess I am a minority in the "I don't really like Brad" fan club. I am thankful that Evan is here to entertain me, jerk or not.[/QUOTE] I would say cast members like Paula. If she was like how she was on Duel 1 and I3, I think she might have more respect. She lost alot of fans because she changed. But I do agree with what you're saying that some cast members value being themselves. (Like Katie) Brad is a likable person when he's on challenges but I don't know if he's the same outside of challenges. I think he may come off as a little boring on Duel II since he's stays under the radar. But I don't find him boring, maybe its because I've been a longtime fan of him. It kinda reminds me of how Derrick was on the Island. I see you're an Evan fan. I love Evan too and he's one of my favorites! Welcome to Team Evan :).

I was just thinking that even though it led to her downfall, props to Jenn for picking Diem when nobody else would!

[quote=Dartagnan;76513]I was just thinking that even though it led to her downfall, props to Jenn for picking Diem when nobody else would![/quote] I would have picked Diem a long time ago......

I would have picked Diem if I were Shauvon. I mean honestly.

[quote=Dartagnan;76518]I would have picked Diem if I were Shauvon. I mean honestly.[/quote] Shauvon def. put up a fight. I don't care what anyone says, her and Diem would have been a good show down. The first episode of the Duel was the best, IMO. I have yet to see an episode as good as the first one but I heard the finale as AH amazing.

I honestly don't think she put up a fight, but did better than I thought she would. I can't wait for the finale, the competition will be intense.

[QUOTE=Dartagnan;76528]I honestly don't think she put up a fight, but did better than I thought she would. I can't wait for the finale, the competition will be intense.[/QUOTE] Perhaps, for her, that was putting up a fight. (and I don't mean that sarcastically)

Hehe. It wasn't sarcastic, but I had to laugh V. So I wonder how Mark was left with Aneesa, I would think Brad would be?

How in the world was Rachel left with Evan?

All to come later I guess TJ.

Re the finale Maybe you are already guilty of assuming there are pairs involved from beginning to end. Maybe BMP is messing with you already because you became comfortable in your assumptions. Always think outside the box...

Always a helpful reminder. Just a hunch TJ, maybe there are portions of the final where you need your partner, which is why it could be detrimental to have Aneesa.